WebSign: A live demonstration to sign your signature on HTML pages, and save it to database
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From: Shiuh-Lin Lee on 3 Feb 2010 13:41 WebSign : A live demonstration to sign your signature on HTML pages, and save it to database (HTML5, Canvas, and Javascript) Please refer to [ http://togosoft.com/html5/websign ] for more information.
From: Shiuh-Lin Lee on 4 Feb 2010 04:42 On Feb 3, 3:10 pm, Mike Duffy <resp...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > Shiuh-Lin Lee <togos...(a)gmail.com> wrote in news:f54659a3-eb11-4177-b4cf- > 180ea21ef...(a)t34g2000prm.googlegroups.com: > > > WebSign : A live demonstration to sign your signature on HTML pages, > > and save it to database (HTML5, Canvas, and Javascript) > > I'm not sure I understand this, because it seems too risky. > > Are you actually suggesting that people give you graphic examples of their > written signatures? My browser does not support HTML5, so I cannot tell > from the demo if that is what you are asking for. > > I cannot imagine anyone trusting their own computer, let alone a remote web > server, with this sort of information. As an independent software developer, sometimes we need to guess (predict, gamble on, ...) future trends. We can foresee ... 1) More & more multi-touch screen devices (Windows 7 PCs, Macs, iPhone, iPad, or something similar from Google,...). These make the hardware environments mature for WebSign. 2) More & more browsers support HTML5 features in the future, These make the software environments mature for WebSign. Actually, even today, I still can use some graphics libraries to make WebSign working on IEs. 3) You are right, we shouldn't use WebSign on the untrusted public internet, however we can use it within more secure environments (intranet, office environments, https, POS, field staff (like UPS, COD, ...) to collect signatures...) Think about a very common example, within our office, we almost can automate all our paper forms through web forms. However, after we fill out the web forms, we still need to print them out, sign the forms, the signed forms will be routed to managers, accounting, personnel, .... for more signatures. These are not just waste papers and also waste lots of time to collect the signatures manually. I just hope WebSign can start better ways to handle our daily works required signatures.
From: Andrew Poulos on 4 Feb 2010 05:17 On 4/02/2010 8:42 PM, Shiuh-Lin Lee wrote: > On Feb 3, 3:10 pm, Mike Duffy<resp...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> Shiuh-Lin Lee<togos...(a)gmail.com> wrote in news:f54659a3-eb11-4177-b4cf- >> 180ea21ef...(a)t34g2000prm.googlegroups.com: >> >>> WebSign : A live demonstration to sign your signature on HTML pages, >>> and save it to database (HTML5, Canvas, and Javascript) >> >> I'm not sure I understand this, because it seems too risky. >> >> Are you actually suggesting that people give you graphic examples of their >> written signatures? My browser does not support HTML5, so I cannot tell >> from the demo if that is what you are asking for. >> >> I cannot imagine anyone trusting their own computer, let alone a remote web >> server, with this sort of information. > > As an independent software developer, sometimes we need to guess > (predict, gamble on, ...) future trends. We can foresee ... > > 1) More& more multi-touch screen devices (Windows 7 PCs, Macs, > iPhone, iPad, or something similar from Google,...). These make the > hardware environments mature for WebSign. > 2) More& more browsers support HTML5 features in the future, These > make the software environments mature for WebSign. Actually, even > today, I still can use some graphics libraries to make WebSign working > on IEs. > 3) You are right, we shouldn't use WebSign on the untrusted public > internet, however we can use it within more secure environments > (intranet, office environments, https, POS, field staff (like UPS, > COD, ...) to collect signatures...) > > Think about a very common example, within our office, we almost can > automate all our paper forms through web forms. However, after we fill > out the web forms, we still need to print them out, sign the forms, > the signed forms will be routed to managers, accounting, > personnel, .... for more signatures. These are not just waste papers > and also waste lots of time to collect the signatures manually. The thing with signatures is not so much that the name in the signature refers to a specific person (or even if the signature is an accurate facsimile of the specific person's typical signature) but that some witness can verify that that specific person put that signature on that form. In a legal sense, I don't see how "anonymous" signing can work. Andrew Poulos
From: Shiuh-Lin Lee on 4 Feb 2010 11:56 On Feb 4, 2:17 am, Andrew Poulos <ap_p...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 4/02/2010 8:42 PM, Shiuh-Lin Lee wrote: > > > > > On Feb 3, 3:10 pm, Mike Duffy<resp...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> Shiuh-Lin Lee<togos...(a)gmail.com> wrote in news:f54659a3-eb11-4177-b4cf- > >> 180ea21ef...(a)t34g2000prm.googlegroups.com: > > >>> WebSign : A live demonstration to sign your signature on HTML pages, > >>> and save it to database (HTML5, Canvas, and Javascript) > > >> I'm not sure I understand this, because it seems too risky. > > >> Are you actually suggesting that people give you graphic examples of their > >> written signatures? My browser does not support HTML5, so I cannot tell > >> from the demo if that is what you are asking for. > > >> I cannot imagine anyone trusting their own computer, let alone a remote web > >> server, with this sort of information. > > > As an independent software developer, sometimes we need to guess > > (predict, gamble on, ...) future trends. We can foresee ... > > > 1) More& more multi-touch screen devices (Windows 7 PCs, Macs, > > iPhone, iPad, or something similar from Google,...). These make the > > hardware environments mature for WebSign. > > 2) More& more browsers support HTML5 features in the future, These > > make the software environments mature for WebSign. Actually, even > > today, I still can use some graphics libraries to make WebSign working > > on IEs. > > 3) You are right, we shouldn't use WebSign on the untrusted public > > internet, however we can use it within more secure environments > > (intranet, office environments, https, POS, field staff (like UPS, > > COD, ...) to collect signatures...) > > > Think about a very common example, within our office, we almost can > > automate all our paper forms through web forms. However, after we fill > > out the web forms, we still need to print them out, sign the forms, > > the signed forms will be routed to managers, accounting, > > personnel, .... for more signatures. These are not just waste papers > > and also waste lots of time to collect the signatures manually. > > The thing with signatures is not so much that the name in the signature > refers to a specific person (or even if the signature is an accurate > facsimile of the specific person's typical signature) but that some > witness can verify that that specific person put that signature on that > form. > > In a legal sense, I don't see how "anonymous" signing can work. > > Andrew Poulos You are right.... but my experience is, when I worked with some IT companies during the past years, I was keeping asked to sign all kind NDAs (basically, download & print-out their legal PDF form, sign it, and mail it back to requesting company)... I did it "anonymously", and no one asked me to provide witness proofs. I don't think WebSign (or similar technologies) can resolve everything, however, it may provide us a different way doing some web business.
From: Shiuh-Lin Lee on 4 Feb 2010 12:10
On Feb 4, 5:00 am, Mike Duffy <resp...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > Shiuh-Lin Lee <togos...(a)gmail.com> wrote innews:8369ef8b-c697-474e-9296-aac16a64ad1a(a)m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com: > > > On Feb 3, 3:10 pm, Mike Duffy <resp...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > > .. within our office, we almost can automate all our paper forms > > .. we still need to print them out, sign the forms, > > Where I work, the manager just needs to press a button to approve a > purchase I have entered into an intranet web form. The same goes for taking > leave, inventory control, etc. Essentially, the logon that a person has > made to access the computer serves as "proof" of who did something. > > Anyways, your application does not have anything to do specifically with > javascript. Probably you should instead try to get some interest from a > group that deals with HTML or browser functions. ??? Nothing to with Javascript ??? In my demo, I use HTML5 Canvas (& Javascript event) features to capture a use's signature (or drawing), and send the captured image as Base64 text to the backend server, then the backend server convert this Base64 text to a PNG file. |