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From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 18 Jun 2010 06:16 "Ron Capik" <r.capik(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:_ISdnTkPZYyh3ofRnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > George's Pro Sound Co. wrote: >> Just reading a post on another forum, about a big midas that was under 3 >> feet of water during a flood in Nashville >> ASSUMING it was insured against FLOOD, which is doubtful as flood >> insurance (in the USA)is a seperate policy from your copmrehensive >> fire/theft >> what happens to a 100,000$ desk once it gets hit like that >> does it get given to the learning techs to try to revive, throw onthe >> scrap heap or put on ebay, as unknown condition NO RETURNS >> anyone ever dealt with either owning or buying something that ought to >> have been scrapped, but wasn't beacuse of one reason or another? > Wondering what forum. www.proaudiospace.com
From: PeterD on 18 Jun 2010 14:45 On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:21:10 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a(a)tpg.com.au> wrote: > >"PeterD" >> >>>Just reading a post on another forum, about a big midas that was under 3 >>>feet of water during a flood in Nashville... >> >> >> My guess, it is likely to show up on eBay as either as/is or parts >> only, which for some things could be a great deal for someone. >> > >** Audio electronics that has been submerged in muddy water ( not salt ) is >mostly fully recoverable - it just needs to be thoroughly washed and made >clean again. The important thing is that it is immediately rinsed out with >clean water then dried in the sun or with hot air. > >One of my customers had almost his entire hire stock submerged in a flood >about 15 years ago - some things he just hosed off, dried out and used >again. > >I got to see a couple of large MOSFET power amps and also some radio mic >receivers and body pack transmitters that were half full of dried mud. > >Using only a garden hose, various small paint brushes, hot water, detergent >and lotsa patience all of them were restored to perfect working order and >condition. > >The only significant damage was to the switches on the body pack >transmitters - there had been a fresh 9V battery inside at the time of the >flood and current flowing through the muddy water had eaten the plating away >on the contacts. > > > >.... Phil > I've washed electronics equipment many times with clean water (and detergent sometimes). Rarely a failure, but have to watch for any parts that are paper (coils in RF sections of receivers/transmitters for example.)
From: Leon on 18 Jun 2010 21:18 On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:21:10 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a(a)tpg.com.au> wrote: > >"PeterD" >> >>>Just reading a post on another forum, about a big midas that was under 3 >>>feet of water during a flood in Nashville... >> >> >> My guess, it is likely to show up on eBay as either as/is or parts >> only, which for some things could be a great deal for someone. >> > >** Audio electronics that has been submerged in muddy water ( not salt ) is >mostly fully recoverable - it just needs to be thoroughly washed and made >clean again. The important thing is that it is immediately rinsed out with >clean water then dried in the sun or with hot air. > >One of my customers had almost his entire hire stock submerged in a flood >about 15 years ago - some things he just hosed off, dried out and used >again. > >I got to see a couple of large MOSFET power amps and also some radio mic >receivers and body pack transmitters that were half full of dried mud. > >Using only a garden hose, various small paint brushes, hot water, detergent >and lotsa patience all of them were restored to perfect working order and >condition. > >The only significant damage was to the switches on the body pack >transmitters - there had been a fresh 9V battery inside at the time of the >flood and current flowing through the muddy water had eaten the plating away >on the contacts. > > > >.... Phil > Yes, it all depends on the quality of the water. I was brought a 2-way "lunchbox" radio once and it was totally shot. I tried to repair it but most of the foil on the boards was destroyed. This type of radio had a battery pack with 11 D cells in it, and I suspect they corroded open and flooded the radio. The owner told me he had dropped it in a ditch, and fished it out and put it in his trunk - as is! He brought it to me a few weeks later! Yuck!! Radio soup! If you get something wet you must dry it out right away!
From: bob on 18 Jun 2010 21:18 On 6/18/2010 1:45 PM, PeterD wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:21:10 +1000, "Phil Allison"<phil_a(a)tpg.com.au> > wrote: > >> >> "PeterD" >>> >>>> Just reading a post on another forum, about a big midas that was under 3 >>>> feet of water during a flood in Nashville... >>> >>> >>> My guess, it is likely to show up on eBay as either as/is or parts >>> only, which for some things could be a great deal for someone. >>> >> >> ** Audio electronics that has been submerged in muddy water ( not salt ) is >> mostly fully recoverable - it just needs to be thoroughly washed and made >> clean again. The important thing is that it is immediately rinsed out with >> clean water then dried in the sun or with hot air. >> >> One of my customers had almost his entire hire stock submerged in a flood >> about 15 years ago - some things he just hosed off, dried out and used >> again. >> >> I got to see a couple of large MOSFET power amps and also some radio mic >> receivers and body pack transmitters that were half full of dried mud. >> >> Using only a garden hose, various small paint brushes, hot water, detergent >> and lotsa patience all of them were restored to perfect working order and >> condition. >> >> The only significant damage was to the switches on the body pack >> transmitters - there had been a fresh 9V battery inside at the time of the >> flood and current flowing through the muddy water had eaten the plating away >> on the contacts. >> >> >> >> .... Phil >> > > I've washed electronics equipment many times with clean water (and > detergent sometimes). Rarely a failure, but have to watch for any > parts that are paper (coils in RF sections of receivers/transmitters > for example.) > Chances are you can revive it, but it will never be worth what it was. I have done some submerged electronics before. Dirt gets under chips and you will never get it all out short of taking every part off and cleaning both sides. You may not need to do this to make it functional, but the crud laying around long term is an unknown quantity. things can rust in areas you cannot see. Hell, i would buy a Midas for a few hundred and have some fun with it.... ;) bob
From: Phil Allison on 18 Jun 2010 23:22
<Leon(a)nospam.com> > Phil Allison > >>** Audio electronics that has been submerged in muddy water ( not salt ) >>is >>mostly fully recoverable - it just needs to be thoroughly washed and >>made >>clean again. The important thing is that it is immediately rinsed out >>with >>clean water then dried in the sun or with hot air. >> >>One of my customers had almost his entire hire stock submerged in a flood >>about 15 years ago - some things he just hosed off, dried out and used >>again. >> >>I got to see a couple of large MOSFET power amps and also some radio mic >>receivers and body pack transmitters that were half full of dried mud. >> >>Using only a garden hose, various small paint brushes, hot water, >>detergent >>and lotsa patience all of them were restored to perfect working order and >>condition. >> >>The only significant damage was to the switches on the body pack >>transmitters - there had been a fresh 9V battery inside at the time of >>the >>flood and current flowing through the muddy water had eaten the plating >>away >>on the contacts. >> > > Yes, it all depends on the quality of the water. I was brought a 2-way > "lunchbox" radio once and it was totally shot. ** See the first two words in my post - Leon ?? > This type of radio had a battery pack with > 11 D cells in it, ** That is the issue, not the fact that it got wet. Things like mobile phones, PDAs, laptops etc are in a whole nuther category far as recovery after being submerged is concerned. Cos the VERY FIRST thing you must do is get the unit out of the water immediately and get that damn battery pack OUT of it !!! ..... Phil |