From: Richard Maine on
AES <siegman(a)stanford.edu> wrote:

> In article <1jaz2z3.ej4ac11m9w6dmN%nospam(a)see.signature>,
> nospam(a)see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote:
>
> > I'm currently using BookCollector (collectorz.com). It handles thousands
> > of books quite nicely. So do quite a few competitors.
>
> Except, none of them really _handle_ the books literally or position
> them physically, do they? -- that is, decide where the books themselves
> are to be physically located, in the way that iTunes or iPhoto,
> operating in default mode, decide where their physical files are to be
> located? That was the point to my "iBooks" parody.

Not the books literally, but certainly the computer data about them,
which is to say everything that is in the computer. That data is in a
database, which is completely incomprehensible without going through the
application (typical of databases).

I don't think the analogy holds water well. If one insists on talking
about the physical books, then the closest analogy would also be other
physical media such as my old vinyl records. ITunes doesn't do anything
to those either.

--
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From: Doug Anderson on
AES <siegman(a)stanford.edu> writes:

> In article <1jaz2z3.ej4ac11m9w6dmN%nospam(a)see.signature>,
> nospam(a)see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote:
>
> > I'm currently using BookCollector (collectorz.com). It handles thousands
> > of books quite nicely. So do quite a few competitors.
> >
>
> Except, none of them really _handle_ the books literally or position
> them physically, do they? -- that is, decide where the books themselves
> are to be physically located, in the way that iTunes or iPhoto,
> operating in default mode, decide where their physical files are to be
> located? That was the point to my "iBooks" parody.

If I were to try to take your iBooks parody seriously, I'd have to
consider applying it to a collection of digital books. Then I would
want "iBooks" to do exactly what iTunes would do. Allow me to find books
by author, title, and genre. (And yes, I'd probably have to invent
my own genres just as I do informally when shelving my books.)

That sounds good to me. But then if you wanted to arrange your
digital books some other way (say, by what color the author's first
name reminded you) you'd be well-advised to stay away from this
hypothetical iBooks.
From: erilar on
In article <4b2e5655$1(a)news.victoria.tc.ca>,
ws917(a)vtn1.victoria.tc.ca (Frank P. Eigler) wrote:

> AV3 (arvimide(a)earthlink.net) wrote:

>
> : Note that I originally said that my objection concerned searching on the
> : hard disk and that iTunes made such a search easier by naming its files
> : according to artist and album name.
>
> Only true if you're buying the tune online, or used CDDB/Gracenote on an
> imported disk. Otherwise, you're starting off with whatever naming
> convention was used by the guy who made the file

Most of the commercial CDs I feed into iTunes carry information.
Chopping up and naming tracks from cassettes is even harder than with
LPs, though, it seems.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist


http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo
From: nospam on
In article <drache-C1AD84.18365220122009(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
erilar <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> Most of the commercial CDs I feed into iTunes carry information.

itunes gets the information off the 'net. it's not on the cd itself.
From: AV3 on
On Dec/20/2009 7:3652 PM, erilar wrote:
> In article<4b2e5655$1(a)news.victoria.tc.ca>,
> ws917(a)vtn1.victoria.tc.ca (Frank P. Eigler) wrote:
>
>> AV3 (arvimide(a)earthlink.net) wrote:
>
>>
>> : Note that I originally said that my objection concerned searching on the
>> : hard disk and that iTunes made such a search easier by naming its files
>> : according to artist and album name.
>>
>> Only true if you're buying the tune online, or used CDDB/Gracenote on an
>> imported disk. Otherwise, you're starting off with whatever naming
>> convention was used by the guy who made the file
>
> Most of the commercial CDs I feed into iTunes carry information.
> Chopping up and naming tracks from cassettes is even harder than with
> LPs, though, it seems.
>


iTunes for Mac gets its information for a particular CD off the web from
Gracenote. But, unlike some (Rhythmbox in Ubuntu, for instance), the
info is retained on a Mac and will continue to be displayed whenever you
reinsert that CD, whether you are connected to the web or not. If you
have a CD not yet registered with Gracenote, you can enter the info
yourself and transmit it through iTunes to Gracenote for future users
through the menu "Advanced"->"Submit CD Track Names". But if you insert
a new CD while not connected to the web, you will get no info about its
name, track names, etc.



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