What is the Aether?
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From: Sam Wormley on 24 May 2007 19:33 xxein(a)bellsouth.net wrote: > On May 24, 5:54 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >> aether >> o current and successful theories don't require an aether >> o none is detectable >> o no properties are ascribed or measured >> o it's a dead concept > aether > ' current and successful theories are limited to a subjective > measurement (of what?) > ' empty space cannot define position, velocity, nor > acceleration without a > connection through a media Position and Velocity are *always* with respect to something else! There is no state of absolute rest or motion. And my brain is not dead yet. > ' then we see and measure nothing > ' Your brain is dead > > > >
From: The_Man on 24 May 2007 19:33 On May 24, 7:08 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 24, 3:45 pm, x...(a)bellsouth.net wrote: > > > > > > > On May 24, 5:54 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > > > > Laurent wrote: > > > > The aether is simply the space between two points. David Bohm called > > > > it general space as he said space is what unite us, not what separates > > > > us. Mach called it momentum space as he explained the force of > > > > Inertia. Einstein and others like called it free space as they > > > > explained permeability and permittivity. So there is no question the > > > > aether is, it is the empty space between points, the question is, does > > > > it have physical properties? Einstein maintained it did until the day > > > > he died. > > > > aether > > > o current and successful theories don't require an aether > > > o none is detectable > > > o no properties are ascribed or measured > > > o it's a dead concept > > > xxein: aether > > ' current and successful theories are limited to a subjective > > measurement (of what?) > > ' empty space cannot define position, velocity, nor > > acceleration without a > > connection through a media > > A limitation only on your part. > > Tell me, what is your current level of education in physics? He might be able to SPELL physics on a good day.... > > > > > ' then we see and measure nothing > > ' Your brain is dead- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: Koobee Wublee on 24 May 2007 20:02 On May 24, 3:55 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The aether is a concept accepted by those whose knowledge of physics > ranges from "none" to "very little". The aether is unknowingly accepted by those who abide to GR as a religion. In 1908, when Minkowski presented the spacetime equation, for the first time the model of the Aether is identified according to the Goettingen group which included Kline, Hilbert, Schwarzschild, and Minkowski himself. Since SR does not manifest the concept of spacetime because the Lorentz transform forbids the mathematical mathematical model of spacetime, GR had a big disconnect with SR. The GR folks should jump up and down for joy because the mathematical model of the Aether is identified as the equation of spacetime itself. Instead, they choose to deny GR having anything to do with the Aether 'till this day. <shrug>
From: Laurent on 24 May 2007 21:34 On May 24, 8:02 pm, Koobee Wublee <koobee.wub...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 24, 3:55 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > The aether is a concept accepted by those whose knowledge of physics > > ranges from "none" to "very little". > > The aether is unknowingly accepted by those who abide to GR as a > religion. > > In 1908, when Minkowski presented the spacetime equation, for the > first time the model of the Aether is identified according to the > Goettingen group which included Kline, Hilbert, Schwarzschild, and > Minkowski himself. Since SR does not manifest the concept of > spacetime because the Lorentz transform forbids the mathematical > mathematical model of spacetime, GR had a big disconnect with SR. > > The GR folks should jump up and down for joy because the mathematical > model of the Aether is identified as the equation of spacetime > itself. Instead, they choose to deny GR having anything to do with > the Aether 'till this day. <shrug> Correct, that's why Einstein also called it "The Gravitational Ether" as he claimed the universe is one single process, one single field. That's why everything is related. These guys think they know physics but when you ask them why is it that the properties of any object in motion depend on the objects around it they can't without admiting wholeness and interconnectedness. You know, like covariance, why is there covariance? Why can't an object travel at near light speed without time dilation or space contractions in relation to other objects? Could it be because energy is finite and the propagation speed of fields need to remain constant in order for matter to hold together? heheh, they can't even answer that! The thing is that you need to understand that Physics depends on Philosophy, if you don't get the philosophical basis, then all you could with all that physics is make roller coasters and such, or maybe get a job as a clerk... hey, that's a respectable thing to do, look at Einstein heheh -- Laurent
From: Eric Gisse on 24 May 2007 22:04
On May 24, 5:02 pm, Koobee Wublee <koobee.wub...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 24, 3:55 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > The aether is a concept accepted by those whose knowledge of physics > > ranges from "none" to "very little". > > The aether is unknowingly accepted by those who abide to GR as a > religion. So, "nobody". Go beat on your religion strawman somewhere else. [...] |