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From: Rowland McDonnell on 20 Apr 2010 00:52
Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote:

> On 2010-04-19, James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote:
> > This has probably been done to death but what actually makes a good
> > browser? Many here prefer one over another, whether it be Safari or
> > Firefox or some other. My views have already been stated and I won't
> > bother boring you all again because I know my views here aren't
> > generally respected.
>
> I don't think that's generally true, but it would help if you could leave
> Rowland alone. I know the guy's fantastically annoying but baiting him
> doesn't help. Just ignore him (and yes, I know, bit rich coming from me).

<cough>

Quite. Jim, you're a lot ruder to me than I am to you, and your
complaints and suggestions in this field are all gross hypocrisy.

Jim, you are fantastically annoying, appallingly hypocritical, and
grossly insulting. You like ruining this newsgroup by insulting me for
no reason at all except malice on your part.

James Jolley was cast from the same mould as you.

I'd quite like the pair of you to stop with your persecution of me - I
mean, you two Jamess (Jim and Jolley): you are both of you totally
obsessed with me, you can't leave me alone, and you both seem to have
this morbid need to insult me any time you find yourselves offended by
my words.

Why you can't be decent about anything, I don't know.

Why you can't admit the fact that you've got a morbid obsession with me
and maybe seek help (try killfiling me, why not?), I don't know.

Is it something to do with the names, I wonder?

You think my name is an insult to each of you?

Rowland.

P.S. Because I'm a James too - Rowland James MM[1], but the James is my
second name, ooh, that's an insult to the proud name of `James', we've
got to be nasty to him.

Mad? Well, yes, but you both look mad to me.

[1] Not /my/ idea to give me four names...


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From: Rowland McDonnell on 20 Apr 2010 01:26
James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote:

> real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) said:
>
> > James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This has probably been done to death but what actually makes a good
> >> browser? Many here prefer one over another, whether it be Safari or
> >> Firefox or some other. My views have already been stated and I won't
> >> bother boring you all again because I know my views here aren't
> >> generally respected.
> >
> > I don't think anyone could object to your offering your opinions on web
> > browsers, but I certainly don't enjoy reading highly negative or hostile
> > remarks about other members of the group, or indeed about me.
>
> The only reason why I am slightly hostile towards you is because all
> you seem to do here is argue the toss with folks. It comes over smug to
> be honest, but don't worry about it.

Take a look at your own behaviour, James.

IF you think it's okay to be hostile to someone for behaving in a
fashion you find /irritating/ - well, where does that leave any chance
of civilised discussion?

.... because your hostile behaviour will obviously irritate others, and
by *your* standards, that's reason for hostility.

I.e., what James wants is a world where every little mis-understanding
results in flaming row.

Not helpful...

Rowland.

P.S. Daniele's a philosopher. Arguing the toss with people is what
he's *supposed* to do - best not to complain about a duck just because
it's decided to fly like ducks do, am I right?

P.P.S. Daniele, this is not me defending you, this is me attempting to
open James's eyes.

P.P.P.S. Yes I know about my own cognitive defects. No, I really do.
*YOU* don't - I do.

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From: Graeme on 20 Apr 2010 03:11
In message <1jh7x4n.1hffdz11xoy5i0N%{$PW$}@womar.co.uk>
{$PW$}@womar.co.uk (Paul Womar) wrote:

> Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > How can you get Opera mail to distinguish between different demon
> > postboxes?
> >
> > Just tried to set it up and it will apparently only access my generic
> > mail account.
>
> I haven't used Demon for years but don't you use the "username+nodename"
> format to do that?

Yes, but I can't see how to do that with Opera. I'm trying to finish my
migration from RISCOS to OSX. Email and newsgroups are about the only thing
I still use this machine for and if Opera could handle them it would be very
handy.

Must admit till this thread I hadn't realised Opera did mail.

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From: Woody on 20 Apr 2010 04:05
Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <1jh7x4n.1hffdz11xoy5i0N%{$PW$}@womar.co.uk>
> {$PW$}@womar.co.uk (Paul Womar) wrote:
>
> > Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > How can you get Opera mail to distinguish between different demon
> > > postboxes?
> > >
> > > Just tried to set it up and it will apparently only access my generic
> > > mail account.
> >
> > I haven't used Demon for years but don't you use the "username+nodename"
> > format to do that?
>
> Yes, but I can't see how to do that with Opera. I'm trying to finish my
> migration from RISCOS to OSX. Email and newsgroups are about the only thing
> I still use this machine for and if Opera could handle them it would be very
> handy.
>
> Must admit till this thread I hadn't realised Opera did mail.

Always felt sorry for the opera people. They make a really fast browser
that does good browsing, has good facilities, built in bit torrent,
mail, news and yet hardly anyone uses it.

I downloaded the latest one, thought that it is really good. And then
didn't use it, and I really don't know why.


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From: James Dore on 20 Apr 2010 04:34
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:05:15 +0100, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote:

> Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <1jh7x4n.1hffdz11xoy5i0N%{$PW$}@womar.co.uk>
>> {$PW$}@womar.co.uk (Paul Womar) wrote:
>>
>> > Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > > How can you get Opera mail to distinguish between different demon
>> > > postboxes?
>> > >
>> > > Just tried to set it up and it will apparently only access my
>> generic
>> > > mail account.
>> >
>> > I haven't used Demon for years but don't you use the
>> "username+nodename"
>> > format to do that?
>>
>> Yes, but I can't see how to do that with Opera. I'm trying to finish my
>> migration from RISCOS to OSX. Email and newsgroups are about the only
>> thing
>> I still use this machine for and if Opera could handle them it would be
>> very
>> handy.
>>
>> Must admit till this thread I hadn't realised Opera did mail.
>
> Always felt sorry for the opera people. They make a really fast browser
> that does good browsing, has good facilities, built in bit torrent,
> mail, news and yet hardly anyone uses it.
>
> I downloaded the latest one, thought that it is really good. And then
> didn't use it, and I really don't know why.

Cost to change. Same real reason I don't use much else (I keep Firefox
around for the odd site that fails in Opera).

There isn't anything that's stand-out good enough to warrant the effort of
moving. Firefox seems klunky to me, and the plug in architecture is
complicated and unnecessary for my needs; Opera has all the features I
need built in, and they're of sufficient quality to not require any third
party stuff. I've been an Opera user since version 4 (1998 or so) - and
have always gone back to it, even when the OS X version was fairly ropey
(v6,v7,early v8). Recent versions have been excellent, and the latest is
really solid. It becomes a memory hog once it's been running for several
days, but I usually have fifteen or more tabs open at once, and run some
Java management tools through it too, so my usage may not be typical. It
is probably my primary 'Professional' tool though - and stands up to very
heavy use, in ways that Firefox does not. I usually have FF open at the
same time, to handle Novell iManager and our 3Com switch web management
(both do very broken browser checking and complain when I try to use opera
- although there's nothing in them that won't work, it just isn't FF or
IE) - and FF requires much more frequent restarts, or falls over when
Opera doesn't, and always with fewer tabs open and having been running for
less time.

Opera works. For me, anyway!

I also /much/ prefer the interface layout: The left-to-right organisation
of Panel Tabs, Panels, browser screen is most intuitive to me (largest
class, subclass, data) and the easily customizable Personal bar (one-click
bookmarks) and the narrower tab bar use less screen area than other
browsers seem to. I like the overall sense of less wasted space - or
efficient use of space is perhaps a better way of looking at it -
interface elements are smaller, but no less useable; I like doing away
with the single button bar for all tabs (each tab has its own row of
forward/back/stop/reload/etc buttons, all configurable and sizeable) for
instance. It saves me screen space which is very important on a laptop
screen, and even on a 24 inch screen. Bookmark organization is also very
good, and has been what has kept me with Opera. It has a great (although
now common) tree style bookmark pane. It took FF a while to get this, and
is still not implemented as fluidly as in Opera. Dragging of elements
around the application, and into and out of it, just works as you'd
expect. Pointing the mouse cursor at the horizontal scroll bar, and using
the /vertical/ scroll wheel (I don't have a four-way scroll mouse) scrolls
horizontally, which is a nice trick; move away from the bar and normal
vertical scroll resumes.

Anon,
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