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From: Peter on 1 Jul 2010 09:27 "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message news:i0g50m$ah2$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... < lots of good stuff snipped > > The harmonic series, which is the basis of all music, as far as I know, > has no real counterpart in light, because light frequencies are so high > that the "harmonics" would be invisible. While this may be technically true, the influence culture and the photographer's backround on photographic style may be readily observed. e.g. compare http://www.johnisaac.com/galleries.html with http://www.sjphoto.com/ and http://www.alisonshaw.com/bio.shtml > > Since we are witnessing the globalization of culture, the distinctions > between East and West (musical or otherwise) are fast disappearing. > Modern music in any culture now emulates the Western models, especially > American pop. Unless you confine your listening to "museum music" (music > that is rigidly frozen in the past), new postmodern styles have developed > throughout the world that homogenize traits from several once distinct > cultures. These new hybrid musics are still developing, and are therefore > very vital and exciting to hear. I experienced this live in the recent > performance done by the Kronos Quartet in SF. I believe this is the new > "New Music". (:^O) --> (Yeah!) > This is happening more quickly in photography. A series of photographs can be taken and printed in much less time, than the writing of even the most basic musical piece. -- Peter
From: David Ruether on 1 Jul 2010 10:41 "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message news:4c2c9806$0$5532$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... > "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message news:i0g50m$ah2$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... > < lots of good stuff snipped > > >> The harmonic series, which is the basis of all music, as far as I know, >> has no real counterpart in light, because light frequencies are so high >> that the "harmonics" would be invisible. > > While this may be technically true, the influence culture and the photographer's backround on photographic style may be readily > observed. e.g. > > compare > > http://www.johnisaac.com/galleries.html > > with > > http://www.sjphoto.com/ > > and > > http://www.alisonshaw.com/bio.shtml Yes, these represent different styles, but....;-) >> Since we are witnessing the globalization of culture, the distinctions >> between East and West (musical or otherwise) are fast disappearing. >> Modern music in any culture now emulates the Western models, especially >> American pop. Unless you confine your listening to "museum music" (music >> that is rigidly frozen in the past), new postmodern styles have developed >> throughout the world that homogenize traits from several once distinct >> cultures. These new hybrid musics are still developing, and are therefore >> very vital and exciting to hear. I experienced this live in the recent >> performance done by the Kronos Quartet in SF. I believe this is the new >> "New Music". (:^O) --> (Yeah!) ["LS"] > This is happening more quickly in photography. A series of photographs can be taken and printed in much less time, than the > writing of even the most basic musical piece. -- > Peter "LS", who recently wrote a short piece for piano, did it in some VERY short period of time (sorry, I've forgotten how short, but it was SHORT...;-), and he used to compose (beautifully, I might add...;-) in "real time" with performances of improvised piano music (and much of jazz is also improvised during the performance rather than being written/composed in advance...). --DR
From: Peter on 1 Jul 2010 11:21 "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message news:i0i9fn$cl9$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... > > "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message > news:4c2c9806$0$5532$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... >> "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:i0g50m$ah2$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... > >> < lots of good stuff snipped > >> >>> The harmonic series, which is the basis of all music, as far as I know, >>> has no real counterpart in light, because light frequencies are so high >>> that the "harmonics" would be invisible. >> >> While this may be technically true, the influence culture and the >> photographer's backround on photographic style may be readily observed. >> e.g. >> >> compare >> >> http://www.johnisaac.com/galleries.html >> >> with >> >> http://www.sjphoto.com/ >> >> and >> >> http://www.alisonshaw.com/bio.shtml > > Yes, these represent different styles, but....;-) Each of these three artists comes from a different cultural background. I say this from personal knowledge since I have met and spoken with all three. I have taken workshops with Stephen Johnson and Alllson Shaw. Because I am a firm beleiver in maintaining confidences, I will not mention anything about their personal backgrounds. My main point is that you can see the influencs in their work. Where they were born and how they were brought up is irrelevant. I figure what they want disclosed they have on their websites. Although each of their styles is different, I can appreciate the artist in each of them. I have tried to learn something from each and develop my own style. > >>> Since we are witnessing the globalization of culture, the distinctions >>> between East and West (musical or otherwise) are fast disappearing. >>> Modern music in any culture now emulates the Western models, especially >>> American pop. Unless you confine your listening to "museum music" (music >>> that is rigidly frozen in the past), new postmodern styles have >>> developed >>> throughout the world that homogenize traits from several once distinct >>> cultures. These new hybrid musics are still developing, and are >>> therefore >>> very vital and exciting to hear. I experienced this live in the recent >>> performance done by the Kronos Quartet in SF. I believe this is the new >>> "New Music". (:^O) --> (Yeah!) ["LS"] > >> This is happening more quickly in photography. A series of photographs >> can be taken and printed in much less time, than the writing of even the >> most basic musical piece. -- >> Peter > > "LS", who recently wrote a short piece for piano, did it in some VERY > short period of time (sorry, I've forgotten how short, but it was > SHORT...;-), > and he used to compose (beautifully, I might add...;-) in "real time" with > performances of improvised piano music (and much of jazz is also > improvised during the performance rather than being written/composed > in advance...). True. Try this experiment. See if it takes you longer to look at a photograph, than listen to an improvised piece. Do you claim my observation is incorrect, or my theory of why my observation exists. -- Peter
From: David Ruether on 1 Jul 2010 15:49 "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message news:4c2cb283$0$5511$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... > "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message news:i0i9fn$cl9$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... >> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message >> news:4c2c9806$0$5532$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... >>> "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message news:i0g50m$ah2$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... >>> < lots of good stuff snipped > >>> >>>> The harmonic series, which is the basis of all music, as far as I know, >>>> has no real counterpart in light, because light frequencies are so high >>>> that the "harmonics" would be invisible. >>> While this may be technically true, the influence culture and the photographer's backround on photographic style may be readily >>> observed. e.g. >>> >>> compare >>> >>> http://www.johnisaac.com/galleries.html >>> >>> with >>> >>> http://www.sjphoto.com/ >>> >>> and >>> >>> http://www.alisonshaw.com/bio.shtml >> Yes, these represent different styles, but....;-) As I point out again, it seems to me that you are trying to pointlessly compare "apples with oranges". But even given your own apparent premise (and I'm mostly guessing what that really is...;-), it doesn't "hold water" when one photographer radically changes styles (as I have done several times...;-). > Each of these three artists comes from a different cultural background. I say this from personal knowledge since I have met and > spoken with all three. I have taken workshops with Stephen Johnson and Alllson Shaw. Because I am a firm beleiver in maintaining > confidences, I will not mention anything about their personal backgrounds. My main point is that you can see the influencs in > their work. Where they were born and how they were brought up is irrelevant. I figure what they want disclosed they have on their > websites. Although each of their styles is different, I can appreciate the artist in each of them. I have tried to learn something > from each and develop my own style. >>>> Since we are witnessing the globalization of culture, the distinctions >>>> between East and West (musical or otherwise) are fast disappearing. >>>> Modern music in any culture now emulates the Western models, especially >>>> American pop. Unless you confine your listening to "museum music" (music >>>> that is rigidly frozen in the past), new postmodern styles have developed >>>> throughout the world that homogenize traits from several once distinct >>>> cultures. These new hybrid musics are still developing, and are therefore >>>> very vital and exciting to hear. I experienced this live in the recent >>>> performance done by the Kronos Quartet in SF. I believe this is the new >>>> "New Music". (:^O) --> (Yeah!) ["LS"] >>> This is happening more quickly in photography. A series of photographs can be taken and printed in much less time, than the >>> writing of even the most basic musical piece. -- >>> Peter >> "LS", who recently wrote a short piece for piano, did it in some VERY >> short period of time (sorry, I've forgotten how short, but it was SHORT...;-), >> and he used to compose (beautifully, I might add...;-) in "real time" with >> performances of improvised piano music (and much of jazz is also >> improvised during the performance rather than being written/composed >> in advance...). > True. Try this experiment. But, why...? ;-) > See if it takes you longer to look at a photograph, than listen to an improvised piece. It depends on the particulars of each. Some photographs can take years to appreciate fully, and some pieces of music are of the "instant throwaway" variety - and the reverse can also be true. > Do you claim my observation is incorrect, or my theory of why my observation exists. -- > Peter I'm still trying to figure out what these theories and observations of yours are, and why you have attempted to present them... So far, I see no point to them except a partial one: *sometimes* in photography and music (and in other fields), one's background (culturally and in upbringing) *may* sometimes noticeably influence one's artistic output - but this is far from universally true. --DR
From: Peter on 1 Jul 2010 20:49
"David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message news:i0irh6$6pu$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... > > > I'm still trying to figure out what these theories and observations of > yours > are, and why you have attempted to present them... So far, I see no point > to them except a partial one: *sometimes* in photography and music (and in > other fields), one's background (culturally and in upbringing) *may* > sometimes > noticeably influence one's artistic output - but this is far from > universally true. All I was doing was responding to your comment about music becoming more international, by stating that this is also true about photography and other art forms. There is no ":may" in my observation. I believe we are all influenced by our culture and upbringing, at least initially. My examples merely illustrated the work of three fine photographers who were clearly so influenced. I see no reason anyone would tae offense at that. -- Peter |