'When Are Relations Neither True Nor False?
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From: Nam Nguyen on 26 Mar 2010 15:04 Alan Smaill wrote: > Nam Nguyen <namducnguyen(a)shaw.ca> writes: > >> Alan Smaill wrote: >>> Nam Nguyen <namducnguyen(a)shaw.ca> writes: >>> > >>>> The ultimate logic is one which is relativistic. >>> Is that an absolute truth, then? >>> >>> I know, it's an old ploy, but your position just begs the question. >>> >> No. It's relative to what we, mortal beings, are entitled to know and to >> what existence realm we happen to be in. > > But that's just your subjective opinion of the situation, isn't it? That's why nothing is an absolute truth, absolutely true independent of any opinion, observation, perception, endowed ability, etc.. > >> A lone man is walking in a road that seems to stretch to nowhere. Is the >> evening lonely, or is that just a lonely feeling in the evening? > > The man is very happy. Relatively speaking of course.
From: Nam Nguyen on 26 Mar 2010 15:13 Nam Nguyen wrote: > Alan Smaill wrote: >> Nam Nguyen <namducnguyen(a)shaw.ca> writes: >> >>> Alan Smaill wrote: >>>> Nam Nguyen <namducnguyen(a)shaw.ca> writes: >>>> >> >>>>> The ultimate logic is one which is relativistic. >>>> Is that an absolute truth, then? >>>> >>>> I know, it's an old ploy, but your position just begs the question. >>>> >>> No. It's relative to what we, mortal beings, are entitled to know and to >>> what existence realm we happen to be in. >> >> But that's just your subjective opinion of the situation, isn't it? > > That's why nothing is an absolute truth, absolutely true independent of > any opinion, observation, perception, endowed ability, etc.. Iow, welcome to this statement: "This statement is relatively/subjectively true".
From: Nam Nguyen on 26 Mar 2010 16:11 Nam Nguyen wrote: > Alan Smaill wrote: >> Nam Nguyen <namducnguyen(a)shaw.ca> writes: >> >>> Alan Smaill wrote: >>>> Nam Nguyen <namducnguyen(a)shaw.ca> writes: >>>> >> >>>>> The ultimate logic is one which is relativistic. >>>> Is that an absolute truth, then? >>>> >>>> I know, it's an old ploy, but your position just begs the question. >>>> >>> No. It's relative to what we, mortal beings, are entitled to know and to >>> what existence realm we happen to be in. >> >> But that's just your subjective opinion of the situation, isn't it? > > That's why nothing is an absolute truth, absolutely true independent of > any opinion, observation, perception, endowed ability, etc.. Of course abstraction (mathematical or otherwise) is a form of subjective opinion. Seriously, if you could demonstrate a truly absolute abstract truth in mathematical reasoning, I'd leave the forum never coming back.
From: Nam Nguyen on 26 Mar 2010 16:33 Nam Nguyen wrote: > Nam Nguyen wrote: >> Alan Smaill wrote: >>> Nam Nguyen <namducnguyen(a)shaw.ca> writes: >>> >>>> Alan Smaill wrote: >>>>> Nam Nguyen <namducnguyen(a)shaw.ca> writes: >>>>> >>> >>>>>> The ultimate logic is one which is relativistic. >>>>> Is that an absolute truth, then? >>>>> >>>>> I know, it's an old ploy, but your position just begs the question. >>>>> >>>> No. It's relative to what we, mortal beings, are entitled to know >>>> and to >>>> what existence realm we happen to be in. >>> >>> But that's just your subjective opinion of the situation, isn't it? >> >> That's why nothing is an absolute truth, absolutely true independent of >> any opinion, observation, perception, endowed ability, etc.. > > Of course abstraction (mathematical or otherwise) is a form of subjective > opinion. > > Seriously, if you could demonstrate a truly absolute abstract truth in > mathematical reasoning, I'd leave the forum never coming back. If you can't (general "you") then I'm sorry: my duty to the Zen council, so to speak, is to see to it that "absolute" truths such as G(PA) is a thing of the past, if not of oblivion.
From: MoeBlee on 26 Mar 2010 16:34
On Mar 26, 3:11 pm, Nam Nguyen <namducngu...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: > if you could demonstrate a truly absolute abstract truth in mathematical > reasoning, I'd leave the forum never coming back. Oh, sweet seduction, please don't tempt me so! MoeBlee |