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From: Neil Harrington on 17 Nov 2009 01:49 "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:TLSdnSSh4oDtqp_WnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > >> > I had a S & W 22 caliber revolver that would jam after firing about a > dozen rounds through it. The clearance between the rear of the cylinder > and the frame was too small, and I was never able to get it fixed......If > I cleaned it after a couple of cylinder full's, then it would work for > another two, but cleaning it that often was a PITA, so I never used it. That's interesting, but between the *rear* of the cylinder and the frame? Are you sure? I've seen revolvers that would develop that problem at the *front* of the cylinder, as leading built up between that part and the rear of the barrel. But I can't see what could cause interference at the rear of the cylinder, unless leading at the front of the chambers prevented new cartridges from being inserted fully.
From: Bill Graham on 17 Nov 2009 02:00 "Neil Harrington" <not(a)home.today> wrote in message news:BIydndIRzdLn2p_WnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > news:TLSdnSSh4oDtqp_WnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> > > >>> >> I had a S & W 22 caliber revolver that would jam after firing about a >> dozen rounds through it. The clearance between the rear of the cylinder >> and the frame was too small, and I was never able to get it fixed......If >> I cleaned it after a couple of cylinder full's, then it would work for >> another two, but cleaning it that often was a PITA, so I never used it. > > That's interesting, but between the *rear* of the cylinder and the frame? > Are you sure? > > I've seen revolvers that would develop that problem at the *front* of the > cylinder, as leading built up between that part and the rear of the > barrel. But I can't see what could cause interference at the rear of the > cylinder, unless leading at the front of the chambers prevented new > cartridges from being inserted fully. > Yes. this was a stainless steel 22 caliber 6 shot revolver with a 4 or 5 inch barrel. (I forget) Powder would get in between the ridge on the cases and the cylinder, which would make the cases extend slightly too far to the rear, and the cylinder would refuse to turn, causing the gun to jam......I was unable to get anyone to fix it, although I didn't really try too hard. (I had too many other guns to worry about it)
From: Savageduck on 17 Nov 2009 02:09 On 2009-11-16 22:28:55 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> said: > > "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message > news:V6adnUsegoEAQpzWnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> I'm >> sorry I sold that Mle. 1892. Perfectly useless of course, but an >> interesting piece. Cylinder swung out to the right. Odd people, the >> French. >> > Yes.....They like gadgets, which is exactly the wrong thing you would > want in a reliable firearm......Auto loading pistols are lots of fun to > play with, and sometimes very well made, like the German Lugar, but > they aren't anything you would want to bet your life on. The interesting thing is the '08 Luger had it's foundation in basic toggle action design with a German-American Hugo Borchard. Borchard had immigrated to the US and originally worked for Singer Sewing Machine Company, before working for Winchester and Sharps. He then returned to Europe and produced his C-93 which pioneered the toggle action. He was also a consultant for Remington in the development of the Lee rifle. The '08 Luger was a refined and simplified redesign of the Borchard C-93. http://www.gunsworld.com/gun_pistols/borchart_us.html -- Regards, Savageduck
From: Savageduck on 17 Nov 2009 02:16 On 2009-11-16 23:00:07 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> said: > > "Neil Harrington" <not(a)home.today> wrote in message > news:BIydndIRzdLn2p_WnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> >> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:TLSdnSSh4oDtqp_WnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>> >> >> >>>> >>> I had a S & W 22 caliber revolver that would jam after firing about a >>> dozen rounds through it. The clearance between the rear of the cylinder >>> and the frame was too small, and I was never able to get it >>> fixed......If I cleaned it after a couple of cylinder full's, then it >>> would work for another two, but cleaning it that often was a PITA, so I >>> never used it. >> >> That's interesting, but between the *rear* of the cylinder and the >> frame? Are you sure? >> >> I've seen revolvers that would develop that problem at the *front* of >> the cylinder, as leading built up between that part and the rear of the >> barrel. But I can't see what could cause interference at the rear of >> the cylinder, unless leading at the front of the chambers prevented new >> cartridges from being inserted fully. >> > Yes. this was a stainless steel 22 caliber 6 shot revolver with a 4 or > 5 inch barrel. (I forget) Powder would get in between the ridge on the > cases and the cylinder, which would make the cases extend slightly too > far to the rear, and the cylinder would refuse to turn, causing the gun > to jam......I was unable to get anyone to fix it, although I didn't > really try too hard. (I had too many other guns to worry about it) I find that difficult to believe of a S&W 22. The K-22 was a great revolver and you could fire hundreds of accurate rounds out of it at the range. The Model 17 chambered for 22 LR is very reliable and accurate. -- Regards, Savageduck
From: Savageduck on 17 Nov 2009 02:18
On 2009-11-16 23:09:57 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said: > On 2009-11-16 22:28:55 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> said: > >> >> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message >> news:V6adnUsegoEAQpzWnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> I'm sorry > >>> I sold that Mle. 1892. Perfectly useless of course, but an interesting >>> piece. Cylinder swung out to the right. Odd people, the French. >>> >> Yes.....They like gadgets, which is exactly the wrong thing you would >> want in a reliable firearm......Auto loading pistols are lots of fun to >> play with, and sometimes very well made, like the German Lugar, but >> they aren't anything you would want to bet your life on. > > > The interesting thing is the '08 Luger had it's foundation in basic > toggle action design with a German-American Hugo Borchard. > Borchard had immigrated to the US and originally worked for Singer > Sewing Machine Company, before working for Winchester and Sharps. He > then returned to Europe and produced his C-93 which pioneered the > toggle action. He was also a consultant for Remington in the > development of the Lee rifle. > > The '08 Luger was a refined and simplified redesign of the Borchard C-93. > http://www.gunsworld.com/gun_pistols/borchart_us.html If you are interested also check; http://www.luger-genesis.com/luger_history/origins_of_parabellums_1.html -- Regards, Savageduck |