Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?
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From: Pascal J. Bourguignon on 10 Jun 2010 20:24 bolega <gnuist006(a)gmail.com> writes: > On Jun 10, 2:51�pm, p...(a)informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) > wrote: >> bolega <gnuist...(a)gmail.com> writes: >> > Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real >> > world programming ? >> >> What's the real world? >> What's real world programming? >> >> -- >> __Pascal Bourguignon__ � � � � � � � � � �http://www.informatimago.com/ > > I mean ordinary people, who may want to do things with their computers Ah, ordinary people. Then the answer is easy: iPhone and iPad. That's computers for ordinary people, and very good at that! > for scripting, tasks that python can do, possibly when a language is > weak and another has library, then use some function from there even > if it is compiled. Notice that for a library to work with python, python requires that it be put under a format acceptable to python. In the lisp world, we never imagined to be able to force people to adapt their libraries to our needs and requimenets. We have FFI, and we try very hard to work with all sort of random libraries whatever their implementation language and quality, as if we were mere C programs. Sometimes with success, sometimes with failure. That said, given that the requirements of lisp and of python are similar, any library that is pythonified, can be integrated in the lisp environments easily, automatically even, it should only require some coding if it's not already done. > A set of work around techniques will always be > needed. Things that perl does, Ie. being part of the problem. Again, you could search cll archives about that (using Erik Naggum as author this time). Or you could use this: http://xach.com/naggum/articles/ http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3163193555464012(a)naggum.no.html > python does, failing at meta programming. > bash does failing at anything but oneliner "scripts". > things like java applets for various animations What applets? Have you ever seen a java applet? Last time I saw one it must have been fifteen years ago. > possibly some unoptimized but fast protyping of parsers Optimized parser generators were developed 30 years ago. What's your problem? > to fix files or convert formats etc. a wide > array of user tasks. files to be fixed and format convertion are not user tasks. They're programming tasks, if they're not management problems in the first place. Therefore you need a programming language, to write programs, to fix files, and to convert formats. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/
From: Espen Vestre on 11 Jun 2010 04:37 pjb(a)informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) writes: > What applets? Have you ever seen a java applet? Last time I saw one > it must have been fifteen years ago. I see one each time I log into my internet banking service. Unfortunately. -- (espen)
From: Nicolas Neuss on 12 Jun 2010 03:54 tfgordon <thomas.frederick.gordon(a)googlemail.com> writes: > Consider Clojure: http://clojure.org/ > > You might want to watch one of these videos for an overview: > > http://clojure.blip.tv/ > > There is also evidence that Clojure is currently the most popular > Lisp, more "popular" than Scheme or Common Lisp, whatever that means: > > http://www.google.com/trends?q=common+lisp,+scheme+language,+clojure Maybe you can derive that the trend for Clojure is better (not surprisingly given its youth), but using such searches for guessing absolute numbers is meaningless. For example, if you compare "Scheme language" and "Clojure language", you don't see Clojure at all. Nicolas
From: George Neuner on 12 Jun 2010 14:06 On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:57:08 +0300, "Antti \"Andy\" Ylikoski" <antti.ylikoski(a)gmail.com> wrote: >OT: (very Off Topic.............) >I would not trust dolphins to take care of my investments. Why not? Remember the chimpanzee that picked stocks and beat many professional fund managers? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dart-throwing-chimp-still-making-monkey-of-internet-funds?pagenumber=2 The average dolphin's brain is bigger than the average human's (and far bigger than a chimpanzee's). Dolphin investment strategies might look fishy to us but dolphins have a unique point of view on important industries such as transportation, telecommunications, construction, tourism, energy exploration, food production, etc. I'd trust a dolphin over a Wall Street fund manager any day.
From: Pascal J. Bourguignon on 12 Jun 2010 15:54
bolega <gnuist006(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > [PAIP] > > Is there anything in this old norvig book that makes it worth > pursuing as a text ? Yes. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ |