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From: Ben Myers on 1 Jul 2010 13:18 On 7/1/2010 11:37 AM, BillW50 wrote: > Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:27:23 -0400: >> On 7/1/2010 7:37 AM, BillW50 wrote: >>> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 01:20:59 -0400: >>>> On 6/30/2010 8:35 PM, BillW50 wrote: >>>>> Really Bob? Well I am a computer scientist since the 70's. And being a >>>>> scientist, I don't buy your average BS! And if you believe you are >>>>> right. Show me any evidence at all that Linux has ever broken 1% of >>>>> favor with the masses. And if you can, you have some hope of >>>>> convincing >>>>> me of something. But if you can't, less than 1% of favor with the >>>>> masses >>>>> means nothing. And that is how it is Bob. >>>>> >>>>> There has been many promising OS over the decades (and I followed them >>>>> many times too). But if you can't make it with the masses, it becomes >>>>> nothing. And Linux has been trying for 18 years now and it is still >>>>> nothing. That is the truth and I can prove it all scientifically. But >>>>> you are not interested in proof now, are you Bob? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Whew! I had to put on my waders to read that response. Imagine! A >>>> "computer scientist" in our midst! ... Ben Myers >>> >>> We can *always* count on you, Ben! To take an intellectual conversation >>> and turn it into an ad hominem one. Can't we? >>> >>> And by chance Ben isn't just playing dumb this time... >>> >>> 1) Yes scientists do use computers and some even use Dells too. >>> >>> 2) Yes scientists do use the Internet, just like anybody else does. >>> >>> 3) Yes in the early beginnings, the Internet was called ARPANET >>> (Advanced Research Projects Agency NET). And computer scientists were >>> its first users. So why shouldn't we be still here? >>> >> >> I could not help myself. I feel really humbled to be in the virtual >> presence of a real computer scientist... Ben > > I don't know why? As the computer scientists I know (including myself), > don't think it is any big deal. And I remember a computer magazine > called .info (yes with the dot in front of it) had an article that > talked about the computer scientists. That magazine called us "computer > elite gods"... Anyway some wanted to give the power of computers to the > masses (me included). While another side wanted to keep it out of the > hands of the common people and keep the power of computers to > themselves. Well you know the end of that story. ;-) > That's it! It's the virtual presence of an elite god in a virtual white lab coat that is absolutely jaw-dropping for me. I remain in awe at your virtual presence! ... Ben
From: BillW50 on 1 Jul 2010 13:37 Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:18:42 -0400: > On 7/1/2010 11:37 AM, BillW50 wrote: >> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:27:23 -0400: >>> On 7/1/2010 7:37 AM, BillW50 wrote: >>>> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 01:20:59 -0400: >>>>> On 6/30/2010 8:35 PM, BillW50 wrote: >>>>>> Really Bob? Well I am a computer scientist since the 70's. And >>>>>> being a >>>>>> scientist, I don't buy your average BS! And if you believe you are >>>>>> right. Show me any evidence at all that Linux has ever broken 1% of >>>>>> favor with the masses. And if you can, you have some hope of >>>>>> convincing >>>>>> me of something. But if you can't, less than 1% of favor with the >>>>>> masses >>>>>> means nothing. And that is how it is Bob. >>>>>> >>>>>> There has been many promising OS over the decades (and I followed >>>>>> them >>>>>> many times too). But if you can't make it with the masses, it becomes >>>>>> nothing. And Linux has been trying for 18 years now and it is still >>>>>> nothing. That is the truth and I can prove it all scientifically. But >>>>>> you are not interested in proof now, are you Bob? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Whew! I had to put on my waders to read that response. Imagine! A >>>>> "computer scientist" in our midst! ... Ben Myers >>>> >>>> We can *always* count on you, Ben! To take an intellectual conversation >>>> and turn it into an ad hominem one. Can't we? >>>> >>>> And by chance Ben isn't just playing dumb this time... >>>> >>>> 1) Yes scientists do use computers and some even use Dells too. >>>> >>>> 2) Yes scientists do use the Internet, just like anybody else does. >>>> >>>> 3) Yes in the early beginnings, the Internet was called ARPANET >>>> (Advanced Research Projects Agency NET). And computer scientists were >>>> its first users. So why shouldn't we be still here? >>>> >>> >>> I could not help myself. I feel really humbled to be in the virtual >>> presence of a real computer scientist... Ben >> >> I don't know why? As the computer scientists I know (including myself), >> don't think it is any big deal. And I remember a computer magazine >> called .info (yes with the dot in front of it) had an article that >> talked about the computer scientists. That magazine called us "computer >> elite gods"... Anyway some wanted to give the power of computers to the >> masses (me included). While another side wanted to keep it out of the >> hands of the common people and keep the power of computers to >> themselves. Well you know the end of that story. ;-) >> > > That's it! It's the virtual presence of an elite god in a virtual white > lab coat that is absolutely jaw-dropping for me. I remain in awe at > your virtual presence! ... Ben It is always nice to know we can always depend on you for the ad hominem side of any issue, Ben. -- Bill 2 Asus EEE PC 7014G ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC 2 Asus EEE PC 7028G ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC Windows XP SP2/SP3 ~ Xandros Linux
From: Ben Myers on 1 Jul 2010 16:24 On 7/1/2010 1:37 PM, BillW50 wrote: > Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:18:42 -0400: >> On 7/1/2010 11:37 AM, BillW50 wrote: >>> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:27:23 -0400: >>>> On 7/1/2010 7:37 AM, BillW50 wrote: >>>>> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 01:20:59 -0400: >>>>>> On 6/30/2010 8:35 PM, BillW50 wrote: >>>>>>> Really Bob? Well I am a computer scientist since the 70's. And >>>>>>> being a >>>>>>> scientist, I don't buy your average BS! And if you believe you are >>>>>>> right. Show me any evidence at all that Linux has ever broken 1% of >>>>>>> favor with the masses. And if you can, you have some hope of >>>>>>> convincing >>>>>>> me of something. But if you can't, less than 1% of favor with the >>>>>>> masses >>>>>>> means nothing. And that is how it is Bob. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There has been many promising OS over the decades (and I followed >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> many times too). But if you can't make it with the masses, it >>>>>>> becomes >>>>>>> nothing. And Linux has been trying for 18 years now and it is still >>>>>>> nothing. That is the truth and I can prove it all scientifically. >>>>>>> But >>>>>>> you are not interested in proof now, are you Bob? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Whew! I had to put on my waders to read that response. Imagine! A >>>>>> "computer scientist" in our midst! ... Ben Myers >>>>> >>>>> We can *always* count on you, Ben! To take an intellectual >>>>> conversation >>>>> and turn it into an ad hominem one. Can't we? >>>>> >>>>> And by chance Ben isn't just playing dumb this time... >>>>> >>>>> 1) Yes scientists do use computers and some even use Dells too. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Yes scientists do use the Internet, just like anybody else does. >>>>> >>>>> 3) Yes in the early beginnings, the Internet was called ARPANET >>>>> (Advanced Research Projects Agency NET). And computer scientists were >>>>> its first users. So why shouldn't we be still here? >>>>> >>>> >>>> I could not help myself. I feel really humbled to be in the virtual >>>> presence of a real computer scientist... Ben >>> >>> I don't know why? As the computer scientists I know (including myself), >>> don't think it is any big deal. And I remember a computer magazine >>> called .info (yes with the dot in front of it) had an article that >>> talked about the computer scientists. That magazine called us "computer >>> elite gods"... Anyway some wanted to give the power of computers to the >>> masses (me included). While another side wanted to keep it out of the >>> hands of the common people and keep the power of computers to >>> themselves. Well you know the end of that story. ;-) >>> >> >> That's it! It's the virtual presence of an elite god in a virtual >> white lab coat that is absolutely jaw-dropping for me. I remain in awe >> at your virtual presence! ... Ben > > It is always nice to know we can always depend on you for the ad hominem > side of any issue, Ben. > Same as we can all depend on a lot of hot air in your posts. If there was far less hot air and more down and dirty factual information, this would be good... Ben
From: Nate Nagel on 1 Jul 2010 19:19 On 07/01/2010 07:05 AM, BillW50 wrote: > Nate Nagel wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 00:10:31 -0400: >> On 06/30/2010 08:38 AM, BillW50 wrote: >> >>> And take any distro of Linux and run it on one of these. Throw an >>> external 1440x900 monitor on and open up some multimedia video playing >>> full screen. And you see that Linux is showing you one frame per 5 >>> seconds. That is 1/5 of a frame per second. That is just awful! >> >> It would be awful if that was what happened. I can't speak for >> 1440x900, but at 1920x1080 I'm not noticing anything like that. >> >> nate > > I take the scientific approach, Nate. If we get different results, I > believe it should be investigated to learn why? So let's start with what > kind of system are you getting this amazing Linux performance? And what > Linux distro are you using and the version number? And are you using the > stock player or another one? > Ubuntu 10.04, VLC, PowerSpec G207 -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel
From: Nate Nagel on 1 Jul 2010 19:24
On 07/01/2010 07:19 PM, Nate Nagel wrote: > On 07/01/2010 07:05 AM, BillW50 wrote: >> Nate Nagel wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 00:10:31 -0400: >>> On 06/30/2010 08:38 AM, BillW50 wrote: >>> >>>> And take any distro of Linux and run it on one of these. Throw an >>>> external 1440x900 monitor on and open up some multimedia video playing >>>> full screen. And you see that Linux is showing you one frame per 5 >>>> seconds. That is 1/5 of a frame per second. That is just awful! >>> >>> It would be awful if that was what happened. I can't speak for >>> 1440x900, but at 1920x1080 I'm not noticing anything like that. >>> >>> nate >> >> I take the scientific approach, Nate. If we get different results, I >> believe it should be investigated to learn why? So let's start with what >> kind of system are you getting this amazing Linux performance? And what >> Linux distro are you using and the version number? And are you using the >> stock player or another one? >> > > Ubuntu 10.04, VLC, PowerSpec G207 > Forgot to mention, that just happens to be what I'm using now. Also no problem with 10.04/VLC on a Precision M90 or Studio 1555. Retired my old Gateway something-or-other laptop which was running 9.10 and that worked as well. Precision M90 also had 9.04 on it prior to the release of 10.04 with no problems. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |