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From: Steve on 2 Dec 2009 02:46 On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:09:55 +0000, Loki Harfagr wrote: > Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:47:09 +0000, Steve did cat : > >> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:41:50 -0800, ska wrote: >> >>> Steve wrote: >>>> Sending email with my email server, is there really important to pay >>>> and to be white listed ? >>> >>> To be whitelisted is always a good idea, for example get yourself a >>> smarthost, e.g. from your ISP, to transmit your mail through. >>> >>>> real reasons... recently I read that we were grey listed... After >>> >>> Are you refering to this greylisting: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting ? >>> >>> You write "no real reason"? Where do you get this idea from? >>> >>>> checking on spamhaus, I am not listed at all ??? >>> >>> Which has nothing to do with greylisting (in the sense mentioned >>> above). If you has a dynamically allocated address (DUL), many MTAs >>> reject your host without authorization right away. >>> >>> -ska >> >> >> Hi, >> >> No, I don't have any dynamic IP Address, and I read this message on >> Webmin ( I use webmin to check my mail queue. And this is where I >> found that I was greylisted and I was aksed to come back later :-) > > getting whitelisted on an "ips.whitestuff.wot" won't do much about > greylisting, greylisting (usually) is just based on a local data base > (or akin) and has nothing to do with black or whilte listings :-) > >> OK..I will consider being whitelisted.... Is whitelisted.org a good one >> ? ( At least not a fake one, pretending whitelisting you and grab your >> money... ) >> >> Thanks > > If you really want to use that kind of stuff you probably may like to > ask this question on news.admin.net-abuse.email where you'll probably > get some advice about it by Vernon Schryver (and Claus von Wolfhausen > ,-) > > My idea is that, notwithstanding the quality or felony of the used > stuff, the whitelisting will only be effective on relays that use those > references, for instance none of the servers that I admin use them, and > I believe I'm not alone in that case. Thanks for your reply The problem is that some 'public' email provider like 'hotmail'... NEVER accept my emails, even if I am not blacklisted ! Why? I suppose that they have specific rules, which is a problem Do you think, that there another reason ?
From: Loki Harfagr on 2 Dec 2009 03:31
Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:46:57 +0000, Steve did cat : > On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:09:55 +0000, Loki Harfagr wrote: > >> Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:47:09 +0000, Steve did cat : >> >>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:41:50 -0800, ska wrote: >>> >>>> Steve wrote: >>>>> Sending email with my email server, is there really important to pay >>>>> and to be white listed ? >>>> >>>> To be whitelisted is always a good idea, for example get yourself a >>>> smarthost, e.g. from your ISP, to transmit your mail through. >>>> >>>>> real reasons... recently I read that we were grey listed... After >>>> >>>> Are you refering to this greylisting: >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting ? >>>> >>>> You write "no real reason"? Where do you get this idea from? >>>> >>>>> checking on spamhaus, I am not listed at all ??? >>>> >>>> Which has nothing to do with greylisting (in the sense mentioned >>>> above). If you has a dynamically allocated address (DUL), many MTAs >>>> reject your host without authorization right away. >>>> >>>> -ska >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> No, I don't have any dynamic IP Address, and I read this message on >>> Webmin ( I use webmin to check my mail queue. And this is where I >>> found that I was greylisted and I was aksed to come back later :-) >> >> getting whitelisted on an "ips.whitestuff.wot" won't do much about >> greylisting, greylisting (usually) is just based on a local data base >> (or akin) and has nothing to do with black or whilte listings :-) >> >>> OK..I will consider being whitelisted.... Is whitelisted.org a good >>> one ? ( At least not a fake one, pretending whitelisting you and grab >>> your money... ) >>> >>> Thanks >> >> If you really want to use that kind of stuff you probably may like to >> ask this question on news.admin.net-abuse.email where you'll probably >> get some advice about it by Vernon Schryver (and Claus von Wolfhausen >> ,-) >> >> My idea is that, notwithstanding the quality or felony of the used >> stuff, the whitelisting will only be effective on relays that use those >> references, for instance none of the servers that I admin use them, and >> I believe I'm not alone in that case. > > Thanks for your reply > > The problem is that some 'public' email provider like 'hotmail'... NEVER > accept my emails, even if I am not blacklisted ! That's another and different problem than 'greylisting', problem here is that you seemed to believe that every MX used the same central and well known 'blacklist' as you think that you are "not blacklisted". > Why? I suppose that > they have specific rules, Most certainly. > which is a problem > > Do you think, that there another reason ? Well, there could be so many "reasons" ;-) When that's the case I suppose you get a DSN with a reject code? That'd be a good info to start with :-) Please mind that I'm not the 'hotmail' mailmaster and you may get a more precise answer about what kind of specific rules they used on your mails if you try and contact the hotmail services. Now, I reckon that's not necessarily easy nor even feasible to get a technical contact with this kind of 'institutions' then you may have some good old crystal ball advice here if you can post a good sample of the DSN you get :-) |