Why So Few With Core i7 and i5?
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From: Daddy on 4 Dec 2009 13:14 I've poured over Dell's website looking for desktop PCs equipped with a Core i7 or Core i5 processor...and the pickings are pretty slim. Why should that be? These are not brand new processors. By now, it seems to me, Core i7 and Core i5 should be widely available. Opinions welcomed. Daddy
From: Ben Myers on 4 Dec 2009 14:08 Daddy wrote: > I've poured over Dell's website looking for desktop PCs equipped with a > Core i7 or Core i5 processor...and the pickings are pretty slim. Why > should that be? These are not brand new processors. By now, it seems to > me, Core i7 and Core i5 should be widely available. > > Opinions welcomed. > > Daddy And what did you pour? Core i7 and Core i5 CPUs are still very expensive and they do not yet seem to be in volume production. Same with motherboards and the required DDR3 memory. Here are some comparative prices for quantity of one CPUs from a reputable distributor to system builders like me. Dell gets better prices, but pretty much in proportion to these. Intel Core i5 Processor i5-750 2.66GHz 8MB LGA1156 CPU, OEM $187 Intel Core i7 Processor i7-860 2.80GHz 8MB LGA1156 CPU, OEM $281 Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q8200 2.33GHz 1333MHz 4MB LGA775 CPU, OEM $133 Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E4600 2.4GHz 800MHz 2MB LGA775 CPU, OEM $104 These are the least expensive CPUs in their respective categories. Also the slowest. Price goes up with the clock speed. Now for motherboard prices. The following inexpensive board can handle any LGA775 CPU including Core 2 Quad: Intel BLKDG31PR Core 2 Quad/ Intel G31/ FSB 1333/ DDR2-800/ A&V&GbE/ MATX Motherboard, Bulk $57 This is the least expensive board I can get for a Core i5 or i7: Intel BOXDP55WG LGA1156/ Intel P55/ DDR3/ SLI&CrossFireX/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard, Retail $143 If you are Dell (or even me) and are building for either mass consumption or special custom use (that's me), which do you build to remain competitive, LGA775 or LGA1156???? Do the math... Ben Myers
From: Daddy on 4 Dec 2009 14:52 Ben Myers wrote: > Daddy wrote: >> I've poured over Dell's website looking for desktop PCs equipped with >> a Core i7 or Core i5 processor...and the pickings are pretty slim. Why >> should that be? These are not brand new processors. By now, it seems >> to me, Core i7 and Core i5 should be widely available. >> >> Opinions welcomed. >> >> Daddy > > And what did you pour? > > Core i7 and Core i5 CPUs are still very expensive and they do not yet > seem to be in volume production. Same with motherboards and the > required DDR3 memory. > > Here are some comparative prices for quantity of one CPUs from a > reputable distributor to system builders like me. Dell gets better > prices, but pretty much in proportion to these. > > Intel Core i5 Processor i5-750 2.66GHz 8MB LGA1156 CPU, OEM $187 > Intel Core i7 Processor i7-860 2.80GHz 8MB LGA1156 CPU, OEM $281 > Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q8200 2.33GHz 1333MHz 4MB LGA775 CPU, OEM > $133 > Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E4600 2.4GHz 800MHz 2MB LGA775 CPU, OEM $104 > > These are the least expensive CPUs in their respective categories. Also > the slowest. Price goes up with the clock speed. > > Now for motherboard prices. > > The following inexpensive board can handle any LGA775 CPU including Core > 2 Quad: > > Intel BLKDG31PR Core 2 Quad/ Intel G31/ FSB 1333/ DDR2-800/ A&V&GbE/ > MATX Motherboard, Bulk $57 > > This is the least expensive board I can get for a Core i5 or i7: > > Intel BOXDP55WG LGA1156/ Intel P55/ DDR3/ SLI&CrossFireX/ A&GbE/ ATX > Motherboard, Retail $143 > > If you are Dell (or even me) and are building for either mass > consumption or special custom use (that's me), which do you build to > remain competitive, LGA775 or LGA1156???? Do the math... Ben Myers No question about the math. Core 2 is the older generation of processors, so you expect them (and compatible motherboards) to be less expensive. And they still run most of today's software just fine. So do P-ATA hard drives and AGP graphics cards, but try finding them in stores. Is there such little demand from gamers, enthusiasts, multi-taskers, Photoshop-ers, video editors, and consumers who are hoping to extend their investment by a couple of years that Dell is holding back from offering the current generation of processors? I doubt it. My guess is that Dell has a ton of older processors in stock that weren't bought on consignment, if you get my drift. I hope they move 'em quickly, because I'm not putting yesterday's CPU into my new computer. That's penny wise and pound foolish, in my view. Daddy
From: Ben Myers on 4 Dec 2009 16:33 Daddy wrote: > Ben Myers wrote: >> Daddy wrote: >>> I've poured over Dell's website looking for desktop PCs equipped with >>> a Core i7 or Core i5 processor...and the pickings are pretty slim. >>> Why should that be? These are not brand new processors. By now, it >>> seems to me, Core i7 and Core i5 should be widely available. >>> >>> Opinions welcomed. >>> >>> Daddy >> >> And what did you pour? >> >> Core i7 and Core i5 CPUs are still very expensive and they do not yet >> seem to be in volume production. Same with motherboards and the >> required DDR3 memory. >> >> Here are some comparative prices for quantity of one CPUs from a >> reputable distributor to system builders like me. Dell gets better >> prices, but pretty much in proportion to these. >> >> Intel Core i5 Processor i5-750 2.66GHz 8MB LGA1156 CPU, OEM $187 >> Intel Core i7 Processor i7-860 2.80GHz 8MB LGA1156 CPU, OEM $281 >> Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q8200 2.33GHz 1333MHz 4MB LGA775 CPU, >> OEM $133 >> Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E4600 2.4GHz 800MHz 2MB LGA775 CPU, OEM >> $104 >> >> These are the least expensive CPUs in their respective categories. >> Also the slowest. Price goes up with the clock speed. >> >> Now for motherboard prices. >> >> The following inexpensive board can handle any LGA775 CPU including >> Core 2 Quad: >> >> Intel BLKDG31PR Core 2 Quad/ Intel G31/ FSB 1333/ DDR2-800/ A&V&GbE/ >> MATX Motherboard, Bulk $57 >> >> This is the least expensive board I can get for a Core i5 or i7: >> >> Intel BOXDP55WG LGA1156/ Intel P55/ DDR3/ SLI&CrossFireX/ A&GbE/ ATX >> Motherboard, Retail $143 >> >> If you are Dell (or even me) and are building for either mass >> consumption or special custom use (that's me), which do you build to >> remain competitive, LGA775 or LGA1156???? Do the math... Ben Myers > > No question about the math. Core 2 is the older generation of > processors, so you expect them (and compatible motherboards) to be less > expensive. And they still run most of today's software just fine. So do > P-ATA hard drives and AGP graphics cards, but try finding them in stores. > > Is there such little demand from gamers, enthusiasts, multi-taskers, > Photoshop-ers, video editors, and consumers who are hoping to extend > their investment by a couple of years that Dell is holding back from > offering the current generation of processors? I doubt it. > > My guess is that Dell has a ton of older processors in stock that > weren't bought on consignment, if you get my drift. I hope they move 'em > quickly, because I'm not putting yesterday's CPU into my new computer. > That's penny wise and pound foolish, in my view. > > Daddy Questions: Practically speaking, what is the difference between Quad Core LGA775 and i7 CPU? The i7 has a larger cache and it requires slightly faster DDR3 memory. Once you buy a system, do you plan to upgrade the processor? if yes, an i7 has some merit. Is small difference in speed worth it? You are probably right. Dell is caught holding a lot of unsold inventory and they want to move it before offering i5 and i7 systems... Ben Myers
From: Keith on 4 Dec 2009 21:45 I noted that the jump from the Core i7 920 to thenext llevel is much more expensive than the retail difference for those two chips. Until the pricing gets more 'normal', I will be holding off on a purchase "Daddy" <daddy(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:hfbjhl$4kc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > I've poured over Dell's website looking for desktop PCs equipped with a > Core i7 or Core i5 processor...and the pickings are pretty slim. Why > should that be? These are not brand new processors. By now, it seems to > me, Core i7 and Core i5 should be widely available. > > Opinions welcomed. > > Daddy
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