Why are there no latest books written for Debian systems?
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From: Camaleón on 21 Apr 2010 03:40 On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:45:54 +0530, surreal wrote: > I wanted to buy a book about Debian, I found that the last book written > was way back in 2005 by Martin F. > Krafft<http://www.amazon.com/Martin-F.-Krafft/e/B001K892PK/ ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1271826559&sr=8-1> > > > After 2005, Etch and Lenny were released. > > In 5 years its surprising no one thought to write a book specially for > debian lenny or etch ?? Why? (...) There are updated books, but not all are written in English language: http://www.debian.org/doc/books In fact, before installing Debian I bought and read a printed book on my language (Spanish), easily available at any megastore or bookshop here in Spain. True is that is not a very common situation. There are many other distros that lack for printed handbooks and guides aimed to newbies or starters and, when available, mostly are written in English, so I was very surprised (and delighted) to be able to buy a book for Debian -wrote in Spanish- without much effort :-) Debian own guides and docs are also great and translated into many languges and can always be printed. http://www.debian.org/doc/index.en.html Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.04.21.07.34.09(a)gmail.com
From: Joe on 21 Apr 2010 05:00 On 21/04/10 06:15, surreal wrote: > I wanted to buy a book about Debian, I found that the last book written was > way back in 2005 by Martin F. > Krafft<http://www.amazon.com/Martin-F.-Krafft/e/B001K892PK/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1271826559&sr=8-1> > > > After 2005, Etch and Lenny were released. > > In 5 years its surprising no one thought to write a book specially for > debian lenny or etch ?? Why? Check out this amazon link - > http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=debian&x=0&y=0 > > Dear Debian managers - I know you guys work hard and have got lots of wikis > (enough to confuse new comers), you must realize that a printed manual helps > users in many ways..esp when it comes to have a quick reference.. > > On the other hand, take a look at number of Ubuntu related titles - > http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ubuntu&x=0&y=0 > > Why is this happening? We need more printed books, manuals, guides, howtos > on Debian. Enough reading those confusing and half constructed wikis! > > Because it's not Windows? To sell a new version of Windows, which MS must do every few years or die, like most sharks and swimming, the user interface must keep changing. Certainly, that happens to a lesser degree with Gnome and KDE, but neither are specific to Debian. What is specific is dpkg and its children apt and aptitude, and their mode of operation has changed only slightly over many years. There's not really that much else that is pure Debian. My Lenny server does much the same work as the Etch, Sarge and Woody installations before it. Martin's book isn't that far out of date. I haven't needed to learn much more about the OS itself over that time, just about packages I hadn't used before. I've learned much more from Sid, much of it the hard way. No book will ever track Sid. Ubuntu is intended to appeal to Windows users, and needs to mimic the rapid apparent change in user environment. Debian isn't and doesn't. It does evolve in functionality: sysvinit has gone from Sid, though considerable compatibility remains, and must continue for some time. That will require a mention in future books, but again it isn't specific to Debian, and indeed Ubuntu features quite prominently in this particular story. The change came to Ubuntu (and Fedora) before it came to Sid, and Canonical was the major developer of Upstart, the sysvinit replacement. But if you need to understand Upstart, you're not a user, you're at least a hacker, if not a developer (posh word for hacker) and you're less reliant on the dead trees. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4BCEBCFD.2000504(a)jretrading.com
From: Stephen Powell on 21 Apr 2010 09:40 On 21/04/10 06:15, surreal wrote: > I wanted to buy a book about Debian, I found that the last book written was > way back in 2005 by Martin F. > Krafft<http://www.amazon.com/Martin-F.-Krafft/e/B001K892PK/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1271826559&sr=8-1> This is hardly a new book. In fact, it was written in the days of Woody. (Woody -> Sarge -> Etch -> Lenny -> Squeeze) And parts of it are obsolete. But the author focuses on the core stuff of Unix/Linux, and so most of it is still current. It's an excellent guide for how to accomplish common computing tasks in Linux, usually with a command line tool, and the author has a clear bent toward Debian. http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html This is the original version of the book, and it is free. There's an expanded 2nd Edition available in hard copy for a fee. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2047298230.199548.1271856862719.JavaMail.root(a)md01.wow.synacor.com
From: Charles Kroeger on 23 Apr 2010 19:10 >I am still working on a new edition, hopefully to be released with >or shortly after Squeeze. Mr. Krafft, I have your "Debian System, concepts and techniques" a first editon from 2005. I think it's a good choice for a new Debian user. I'm not a new Debian user as such, but you know the Buddha is still counting his breath. I especially liked the well organized beginning regarding history, philosophy, and the Debian Organization community. An altogether elite group if someone were to ask me what I thought. Why does a cow ride a surfboard on the cover, Is this widely understood? -- C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100423184520.125ae3d7(a)Mondo
From: Umarzuki Mochlis on 26 Apr 2010 03:00
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:24 PM, martin f krafft <madduck(a)debian.org> wrote: > > Regardless, there's a need for a new edition. I am working on it. > > that deserves a big hooray! -- Regards, Umarzuki Mochlis http://debmal.my |