Why is there no platform independent way of clearing a terminal?
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From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro on 1 Aug 2010 07:10 In message <mailman.1383.1280649150.1673.python-list(a)python.org>, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 01/08/2010 08:18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> In message<mailman.1382.1280646210.1673.python-list(a)python.org>, Mark >> Lawrence wrote: >> >>> On 01/08/2010 07:50, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> In message<mailman.1381.1280643817.1673.python-list(a)python.org>, Mark >>>> Lawrence wrote: >>>> >>>>> Personally I find double clicking on an msi file rather easier. >>>> >>>> Easier than apt-get dist-upgrade? >>> >>> I'm sorry but I only do English, could you please translate. :) >> >> I run Debian Unstable, which has new goodies coming out on a weekly >> basis. The last time I checked for updates, there were over 500 packages >> I had installed for which updates were available. It only took a command >> like the above to upgrade them all. >> >> How many .msi files would you have to click on to achieve the Windows >> equivalent? > > ... I simply couldn't cope with over 500 installed packages. Precisely my point. Go back to playing with your .msi toys. Oh, and <http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-06-24/>.
From: Roy Smith on 1 Aug 2010 08:41 In article <i33hiu$rsq$1(a)lust.ihug.co.nz>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo(a)geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote: > In message <8bkosiFpihU2(a)mid.individual.net>, Gregory Ewing wrote: > > > Don't you just leave the machine on overnight and wait > > for Microsoft to download all the stuff they think > > you should be using? > > That's fine, but it doesn't handle the non-Microsoft stuff. You've apparently never worked in a big company. Your IT department downloads whatever *they* think you should be using. Eventually, your machine is so slow, you can't get any work done.
From: Mark Lawrence on 2 Aug 2010 11:21 On 01/08/2010 12:10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > In message<mailman.1383.1280649150.1673.python-list(a)python.org>, Mark > Lawrence wrote: > >> On 01/08/2010 08:18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> In message<mailman.1382.1280646210.1673.python-list(a)python.org>, Mark >>> Lawrence wrote: >>> >>>> On 01/08/2010 07:50, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>>> In message<mailman.1381.1280643817.1673.python-list(a)python.org>, Mark >>>>> Lawrence wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Personally I find double clicking on an msi file rather easier. >>>>> >>>>> Easier than apt-get dist-upgrade? >>>> >>>> I'm sorry but I only do English, could you please translate. :) >>> >>> I run Debian Unstable, which has new goodies coming out on a weekly >>> basis. The last time I checked for updates, there were over 500 packages >>> I had installed for which updates were available. It only took a command >>> like the above to upgrade them all. >>> >>> How many .msi files would you have to click on to achieve the Windows >>> equivalent? >> >> ... I simply couldn't cope with over 500 installed packages. > > Precisely my point. Go back to playing with your .msi toys. > > Oh, and<http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-06-24/>. Repeating what was obviously deliberately snipped. "No idea, but your mental capacity is clearly infinitely higher than mine, as I simply couldn't cope with over 500 installed packages. What do they all do, make your lunch and fetch the beer from the fridge amongst other things?" How does any user or an admin cope with 500 packages? Can Python help here, assume an eight hour working day? c:\Python31\Lib>python Python 3.1.2 (r312:79149, Mar 21 2010, 00:41:52) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> 8*60*60/500 57.6 So every working day you have 57.6 seconds to use each package. Strangely I don't think anyone will get too much done. Am I in cloud cuckoo land or are you? As it happens, I'm also not a windows fan, did most of my work on VMS. Which to repeat myself stands for Very Much Safer. Thinking of which did *nix ever get around to providing proper clustering, or does VMS still rule? Mark Lawrence.
From: Mark Lawrence on 2 Aug 2010 12:27 On 02/08/2010 16:41, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Mark Lawrence<breamoreboy(a)yahoo.co.uk>wrote: > >> On 01/08/2010 12:10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> In message<mailman.1383.1280649150.1673.python-list(a)python.org>, Mark >>> Lawrence wrote: >>> >>> On 01/08/2010 08:18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>> In message<mailman.1382.1280646210.1673.python-list(a)python.org>, Mark >>>>> Lawrence wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 01/08/2010 07:50, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> In message<mailman.1381.1280643817.1673.python-list(a)python.org>, Mark >>>>>>> Lawrence wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Personally I find double clicking on an msi file rather easier. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Easier than apt-get dist-upgrade? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sorry but I only do English, could you please translate. :) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I run Debian Unstable, which has new goodies coming out on a weekly >>>>> basis. The last time I checked for updates, there were over 500 packages >>>>> I had installed for which updates were available. It only took a command >>>>> like the above to upgrade them all. >>>>> >>>>> How many .msi files would you have to click on to achieve the Windows >>>>> equivalent? >>>>> >>>> >>>> ... I simply couldn't cope with over 500 installed packages. >>>> >>> >>> Precisely my point. Go back to playing with your .msi toys. >>> >>> Oh, and<http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-06-24/>. >>> >> >> Repeating what was obviously deliberately snipped. >> >> "No idea, but your mental capacity is clearly infinitely higher than mine, >> as I simply couldn't cope with over 500 installed packages. What do they >> all do, make your lunch and fetch the beer from the fridge amongst other >> things?" >> >> How does any user or an admin cope with 500 packages? Can Python help >> here, assume an eight hour working day? >> >> c:\Python31\Lib>python >> Python 3.1.2 (r312:79149, Mar 21 2010, 00:41:52) [MSC v.1500 32 bit >> (Intel)] on win32 >> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>>> 8*60*60/500 >> 57.6 >> >> So every working day you have 57.6 seconds to use each package. Strangely I >> don't think anyone will get too much done. Am I in cloud cuckoo land or are >> you? >> >> > You seem to be mistaken as to what a "package" is. > > Python : > * python > * python-minimal > * python2.6 > * libbz2 > * libc6 > * libdb4.8 > * libncursesw5 > * libreadline6 > * mime-support > * python2.6-minimal > * libssl0.9.8 > * zlib1g > * debconf > * perl-base > * dpkg > * coreutils > * lzma > * libacl1 > * libattr1 > * libselinux1 > * libgcc1 > * libstdc++6 > * gcc-4.4-base > * libncurses5 > * readline-common > > So these are the packages needed just to run Python in Ubuntu. It doesn't > include the packages required for the kernel, the desktop environment, the > window manager, the terminal, and whatever else you want running. In my > fairly clean Ubuntu VM (I use it almost exclusively for testing), I have > close to 1500 packages installed. > >> -- >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list >> > I'll stick with my msi files and/or windows update then, unless I have the luck to get back to VMS. As I said earlier it strikes me that this *nix stuff is simply archaic. Kindest regards. Mark Lawrence.
From: David Robinow on 2 Aug 2010 12:51
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Benjamin Kaplan <benjamin.kaplan(a)case.edu> wrote: >... > So these are the packages needed just to run Python in Ubuntu. It doesn't > include the packages required for the kernel, the desktop environment, the > window manager, the terminal, and whatever else you want running. In my > fairly clean Ubuntu VM (I use it almost exclusively for testing), I have > close to 1500 packages installed. As an admittedly stupid comparison, I have 1579 DLLs in my \windows\system32 directory. Some number of these have been upgraded by Windows Update. This is XP Service Pack 3. I'm not sure if this means that Windows is better because it has more packages or that it is worse because it's got too many. :) |