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From: knews4u2chew on 1 Jun 2010 15:16 http://batr.org/view/052310.html Doesn't look good unless you factor in the cost of oil gushing in the ocean.
From: Michael Coburn on 1 Jun 2010 15:27 On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:16:36 -0700, knews4u2chew wrote: > http://batr.org/view/052310.html > > Doesn't look good unless you factor in the cost of oil gushing in the > ocean. I agree!!! We should tax fossil fuels to cover the environmental damages and the costs of middle east imperialism. No subsidies would be needed for alternative energy if that were the case. The economics of fossil fuels depends upon socialization of the externalities. -- "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60
From: Ron McNulty on 3 Jun 2010 04:14 Ok. so I live in the tiny windswept isles of New Zealand. Our demand for energy continues to increase, so what are the options? - Hydro - all the easy stuff has been developed, and getting planning permission for new development is difficult and time- consuming. - Coal - Yes, we have plenty of "dirty" coal, but the emissions trading scheme will make this uneconomic, let alone not "green". We currently export most of it to China. - Oil - Nothing local. It needs to be transported huge distances. - Natural gas - known supplies have a few years to live. We might find something new... but maybe we won't. - Nuclear - huge startup costs, and concerns over waste and safety. Not a starter at the moment. - Wind - Moderate startup costs. Noisy, so it needs to be carefully sited. Complements hydro nicely - can use hydro when the wind does not blow. But in NZ, the wind blows most of the time. We are two tiny islands in the middle of a very large ocean, and not too far from the roaring forties belt. Our choice is clear - wind may not be the way of the future, but it is sure ticking the boxes right now. Regards Ron
From: Bret on 3 Jun 2010 04:22 On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 01:14:05 -0700 (PDT), Ron McNulty wrote: > - Oil - Nothing local. It needs to be transported huge distances. Huge offshore reserves.
From: Androcles on 3 Jun 2010 05:07
"Ron McNulty" <rmcnulty(a)clear.net.nz> wrote in message news:00d0a04d-4fa8-4767-8017-fb4b76823a4b(a)h37g2000pra.googlegroups.com... | Ok. so I live in the tiny windswept isles of New Zealand. Our demand | for energy continues to increase, so what are the options? | | - Hydro - all the easy stuff has been developed, and getting | planning permission for new development is difficult and time- | consuming. When the lights go out the planning permissioners will have to sign in the dark or they will go out as well. That problem will solve itself. | - Coal - Yes, we have plenty of "dirty" coal, but the emissions | trading scheme will make this uneconomic, let alone not "green". We | currently export most of it to China. Bwahahahahahahahahaha! Exporting dirty coal! There is only one planet, the same CO2 goes into the same atmosphere whether you burn it or China does. Someone should shoot the greenies. | - Oil - Nothing local. It needs to be transported huge distances. You can always sit in the dark. I won't mind. | - Natural gas - known supplies have a few years to live. We might | find something new... but maybe we won't. You can always sit in the dark. I won't mind. | - Nuclear - huge startup costs, and concerns over waste and safety. | Not a starter at the moment. You can always sit in the dark. I won't mind. | - Wind - Moderate startup costs. Noisy, so it needs to be carefully | sited. Complements hydro nicely - can use hydro when the wind does not | blow. But in NZ, the wind blows most of the time. We are two tiny | islands in the middle of a very large ocean, and not too far from the | roaring forties belt. | | Our choice is clear - wind may not be the way of the future, but it is | sure ticking the boxes right now. | | Regards | | Ron You left out wave power and tidal power. How much water flows in Cook Straight twice a day? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/397106 |