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From: Shep� on 28 Jan 2007 05:37
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:07:26 -0600Whilst not letting inanimate objects
know we are in a hurry solesavior(a)shoestore.com sent this :

>On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:16:14 +1100, "user" <noemail.com> wrote:
>
>>http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/freewarefiles/sesp21a-en.exe (it`s not an iso, though)
>>http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Unofficial+Win98SE+updates+2.1a&meta=
>>
>
>What the heck is an ISO ?????

A Japanese A*sehole<grin> :D

or,
it's a file format,
http://www.dvd-ripper.com/faq.htm#6




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From: solesavior on 28 Jan 2007 08:11
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:12:11 -0500, "Mary" <non(a)invalid.ddd> wrote:

><solesavior(a)shoestore.com> wrote in message
>news:jtbor21f3mq3cfe59plkdh51o50di8gntv(a)4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:59:26 -0500, "Mary" <non(a)invalid.ddd> wrote:
>>
>> ><solesavior(a)shoestore.com> wrote in message
>> >news:4g8or2t45q07lkk1lo7cqaivnb9glmn9kj(a)4ax.com
>> >
>> >Mary wrote:
>> >
>> >> >I had a Win 98/Win 2000 dual boot for a while. I used Win 98 most of
>the
>> >> >time, but sometimes needed Win 2000 for certain programs depending on
>the
>> >> >program of course.When I used Win 2000 I had no trouble with hardware
>or
>> >> >software, but I guess it depends on which programs you use and your
>> >computer
>> >> >system. I now have a dual boot of Win 98 and Win XP, and that works
>fine
>> >> >for me. I use Win 98 most of the the time but sometimes use Win XP hen
>a
>> >> >program needs it, but that doesn't happen too often - yet.
>> >> >
>> >> >Mary
>> >>
>> >> When Win98 no longer works for my needs, I am giving up computers, or
>> >> I might get a Macintosh. I refuse to use XP and allow MS and other
>> >> companies to spy on me. Anything above WinME became a fulltime spy
>> >> operating system. I like Win98. I did borrow a copy of WinME and
>> >> installed it on a spare computer, just to check it out. I did not see
>> >> any difference. Several people told me that ME is buggy, so I decided
>> >> not to spend the money to actually buy it, since Win98 is the same
>> >> thing anyhow. I did steal the Defragger from WinME though. That was
>> >> the one and only difference that I really noticed and it runs fine on
>> >> 98. That old defragger was horrid.
>> >>
>> >> I wonder if someone will get all the Windows upgrades together and
>> >> burn them on a CD to sell. I'd probably buy one since I dont have a
>> >> cd burner nor do I want to learn how to use one since I know they are
>> >> very complicated and finicky. I'm too old to fight with something
>> >> like that. I'd rather let someone that is an expert at burning CDs do
>> >> the work and I will just buy a copy.
>> >
>> >solesavior: You can use Win 98 especially if its Win 98SE for as long as
>you
>> >want as long as the programs you like run on it OK. You don't have to
>> >upgrade to Win XP. I don't know if anyone sells CD's with all the Win 98
>> >updates though. Why don't you download the Win 98 updates now while they
>are
>> >still on MS downloads page, and make sure you have SP1. I don't know if
>you
>> >have thought of it but another way to copy files would be if you bought a
>> >USB flash drive.
>> >The file to download from http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html which is
>> >all the Windows 98 updates,
>> >is only 16.8 MB, so on a USB flash drive, even a 256 MB or less would do
>and
>> >you could download the file from the above link and copy the download to
>the
>> >USB drive. I have one that I put jpgs on and you can just plug it into a
>USB
>> >port to see the files. Just a thought for an alternate method of getting
>the
>> >updates instead of a CD burner.
>> >
>> >Mary
>> >
>>
>> Is that all it is, 16.8 megs. I thought it was huge. I do have one
>> of those flash drives for my photos and they are great. Far better
>> than the old zip drives which tended to get errrors. Thanks for the
>> advice.
>
>I just checked again and it says 16.8 megs. There can be a lot of updates
>but each one may not be all that big. I downloaded itbefore but didn't
>install it yet and I might put it on my flash drive rather than on a CDR.
>The flash drive I have is a Sandisk micro flash drive - 256 MB I think, and
>the CD that came with it didn't have the Win 98 driver on it so I had to
>phone Sandisk and the tech. there sent the win 98 driver to me by email. It
>wasn't on their website though I don't know why as it wouldn't be a very big
>file. But if you have win 98 driver for your flash drive, then you will be
>ok. I thought of a flash drive since you don't have a CD burner.
>
>> I do have Win98SE.
>>
>> You are right, I dont have to upgrade NOW, but I am sure MS is doing
>> their part to kill all older versions, as well as other software and
>> pc-hardware companies.
>
>Yes, there will eventually be a problem if you want to use newer software,
>so a lot depends on what programs you use as I said before. You may
>eventually need to upgrade to Win XP - I've gotten used to it and its not
>that bad. Most of the time I can still use Win 98 though. I prefer it as it
>not as cluttered as Win XP.
>
A friend used to run Win98 and was always having me fix problems with
it. Then she got XP. I quickly learned that XP cant just be fixed
like W98. In 98 I can just go to dos and fix most things. To me, XP
looks like a nightmare when it screws up, and her computer seems to
screw up far too often with XP. I told her I cant help anymore.

I dont think XP would even run on my old PIII 700mhz puter. Then too,
XP has an open gateway to Microsoft and others. It's similar to
spyware and they can do whatever they want with your OS. I started
computers in the 1980's and used dos. Back then I was in control of
my computer. Win3.x was similar, but every newer version of windows
seems to take away more of our ability to control our own computer,
and XP seems to have taken away all that was left. Besides that, I
still run lots of old dos software and I heard that much of it wont
work under XP.

Actually, I have not yet found any software that wont run in Win98. I
know many games dont, but I dont use games. But, I am getting more
and more websites that tell me to upgrade my browser. Ebay is the
latest. Most of the time I just ignore that message and the page
loads fine. It's just the scripts and flash movies that may not work,
but I normally have all that stuff disabled anyhow.

>>Its just like I still use IE5.5.
>>The last
>> time I went on Ebay I got an error message that said I must upgrade my
>> browser to use Ebay. Why? It's a friggin website, why do I need a
>> bloated browser to look at text descriptions and pictures of items?
>> Thats assenine. Actually, I was able to look at what I wanted with no
>> problems, but I suppose if I had planned to bid, I would not been able
>> to. But thats ok, I wont buy from Ebay anyhow. I just use them as a
>> reference once and awhile.
>
>Actually Internet explorer 6 and Outlook express 6.0 has been out for a
>long time now and its not that bloated. I think its more secure than version
>5.5, so just my view, but you might consider updating to version IE and OE
>6.0.
>
As I mentioned in another post on here, I installed IE6 shortly after
it came out, and it completely screwed up windows so bad that I had to
reformat and start over. Maybe they got the bugs out since then but I
am not too comfortable trying it. I dont use OE at all. I never
liked it, and using it for newsgroups is horrible compared to Agent.
I still use Eudora 3.x for email. It's text only, and that makes it
very safe. If someone sends a html file with graphics, I only see
text, but I can manually click on the pictures if I want. Everytime I
have installed Windows, I immediately delete the OE directory. Why
waste drive space on something I will never use.

>> Thanks again
>
>You're welcome.
>
>Mary

From: Olin K. McDaniel on 16 Feb 2007 18:25
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:11:00 -0600, solesavior(a)shoestore.com wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:12:11 -0500, "Mary" <non(a)invalid.ddd> wrote:
>
>><solesavior(a)shoestore.com> wrote in message
>>news:jtbor21f3mq3cfe59plkdh51o50di8gntv(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:59:26 -0500, "Mary" <non(a)invalid.ddd> wrote:
>>>
>>> ><solesavior(a)shoestore.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:4g8or2t45q07lkk1lo7cqaivnb9glmn9kj(a)4ax.com
>>> >
>>> >Mary wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> >I had a Win 98/Win 2000 dual boot for a while. I used Win 98 most of
>>the
>>> >> >time, but sometimes needed Win 2000 for certain programs depending on
>>the
>>> >> >program of course.When I used Win 2000 I had no trouble with hardware
>>or
>>> >> >software, but I guess it depends on which programs you use and your
>>> >computer
>>> >> >system. I now have a dual boot of Win 98 and Win XP, and that works
>>fine
>>> >> >for me. I use Win 98 most of the the time but sometimes use Win XP hen
>>a
>>> >> >program needs it, but that doesn't happen too often - yet.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Mary
>>> >>
>>> >> When Win98 no longer works for my needs, I am giving up computers, or
>>> >> I might get a Macintosh. I refuse to use XP and allow MS and other
>>> >> companies to spy on me. Anything above WinME became a fulltime spy
>>> >> operating system. I like Win98. I did borrow a copy of WinME and
>>> >> installed it on a spare computer, just to check it out. I did not see
>>> >> any difference. Several people told me that ME is buggy, so I decided
>>> >> not to spend the money to actually buy it, since Win98 is the same
>>> >> thing anyhow. I did steal the Defragger from WinME though. That was
>>> >> the one and only difference that I really noticed and it runs fine on
>>> >> 98. That old defragger was horrid.
>>> >>
>>> >> I wonder if someone will get all the Windows upgrades together and
>>> >> burn them on a CD to sell. I'd probably buy one since I dont have a
>>> >> cd burner nor do I want to learn how to use one since I know they are
>>> >> very complicated and finicky. I'm too old to fight with something
>>> >> like that. I'd rather let someone that is an expert at burning CDs do
>>> >> the work and I will just buy a copy.
>>> >
>>> >solesavior: You can use Win 98 especially if its Win 98SE for as long as
>>you
>>> >want as long as the programs you like run on it OK. You don't have to
>>> >upgrade to Win XP. I don't know if anyone sells CD's with all the Win 98
>>> >updates though. Why don't you download the Win 98 updates now while they
>>are
>>> >still on MS downloads page, and make sure you have SP1. I don't know if
>>you
>>> >have thought of it but another way to copy files would be if you bought a
>>> >USB flash drive.
>>> >The file to download from http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html which is
>>> >all the Windows 98 updates,
>>> >is only 16.8 MB, so on a USB flash drive, even a 256 MB or less would do
>>and
>>> >you could download the file from the above link and copy the download to
>>the
>>> >USB drive. I have one that I put jpgs on and you can just plug it into a
>>USB
>>> >port to see the files. Just a thought for an alternate method of getting
>>the
>>> >updates instead of a CD burner.
>>> >
>>> >Mary
>>> >
>>>
>>> Is that all it is, 16.8 megs. I thought it was huge. I do have one
>>> of those flash drives for my photos and they are great. Far better
>>> than the old zip drives which tended to get errrors. Thanks for the
>>> advice.
>>
>>I just checked again and it says 16.8 megs. There can be a lot of updates
>>but each one may not be all that big. I downloaded itbefore but didn't
>>install it yet and I might put it on my flash drive rather than on a CDR.
>>The flash drive I have is a Sandisk micro flash drive - 256 MB I think, and
>>the CD that came with it didn't have the Win 98 driver on it so I had to
>>phone Sandisk and the tech. there sent the win 98 driver to me by email. It
>>wasn't on their website though I don't know why as it wouldn't be a very big
>>file. But if you have win 98 driver for your flash drive, then you will be
>>ok. I thought of a flash drive since you don't have a CD burner.
>>
>>> I do have Win98SE.
>>>
>>> You are right, I dont have to upgrade NOW, but I am sure MS is doing
>>> their part to kill all older versions, as well as other software and
>>> pc-hardware companies.
>>

Hi, I've been following this discussion over several exchanges, and am
fairly closely in tune with much of the comments. I too use Win98SE
for my primary OS, and use Win2000 for the more exotic things that
won't run under 98. I too am dedicated to avoiding any part of XP,
and Vista also. For much the same reasons stated herein, and below
here.

>>Yes, there will eventually be a problem if you want to use newer software,
>>so a lot depends on what programs you use as I said before. You may
>>eventually need to upgrade to Win XP - I've gotten used to it and its not
>>that bad. Most of the time I can still use Win 98 though. I prefer it as it
>>not as cluttered as Win XP.
>>
>A friend used to run Win98 and was always having me fix problems with
>it. Then she got XP. I quickly learned that XP cant just be fixed
>like W98. In 98 I can just go to dos and fix most things. To me, XP
>looks like a nightmare when it screws up, and her computer seems to
>screw up far too often with XP. I told her I cant help anymore.
>
>I dont think XP would even run on my old PIII 700mhz puter. Then too,
>XP has an open gateway to Microsoft and others. It's similar to
>spyware and they can do whatever they want with your OS. I started
>computers in the 1980's and used dos. Back then I was in control of
>my computer. Win3.x was similar, but every newer version of windows
>seems to take away more of our ability to control our own computer,
>and XP seems to have taken away all that was left. Besides that, I
>still run lots of old dos software and I heard that much of it wont
>work under XP.

As stated above, I did try XP briefly, and it did run on my old
Pentium III, 600Mhz system. But I share your opinions above - I
started out with DOS, and went up thru Win3 and Win95, then 98, then
98SE, and now part time with win2000. Your comment that the newer
versions take away more and more of our ability to control our
computer says it very well, indeed! It reminds me of adding more and
more "training wheels" to your tricycle, even though you've graduated
to knowing how to ride a bicycle! That seems to be the modus operandi
of microsoft as time moves on. Must be to sell to a bigger audience,
who don't want to spend the time we did to learn what we did.
>
>Actually, I have not yet found any software that wont run in Win98. I
>know many games dont, but I dont use games. But, I am getting more
>and more websites that tell me to upgrade my browser. Ebay is the
>latest. Most of the time I just ignore that message and the page
>loads fine. It's just the scripts and flash movies that may not work,
>but I normally have all that stuff disabled anyhow.
>
>>>Its just like I still use IE5.5.
>>>The last
>>> time I went on Ebay I got an error message that said I must upgrade my
>>> browser to use Ebay. Why? It's a friggin website, why do I need a
>>> bloated browser to look at text descriptions and pictures of items?
>>> Thats assenine. Actually, I was able to look at what I wanted with no
>>> problems, but I suppose if I had planned to bid, I would not been able
>>> to. But thats ok, I wont buy from Ebay anyhow. I just use them as a
>>> reference once and awhile.
>>
>>Actually Internet explorer 6 and Outlook express 6.0 has been out for a
>>long time now and its not that bloated. I think its more secure than version
>>5.5, so just my view, but you might consider updating to version IE and OE
>>6.0.
>>

I've been using Opera for some time, myself and it's been far more
suitable for most of my needs than either Netscape or I.E. Plus, a
friend of mine just the other day taught me something I'd not realized
- Opera can be configured to look like I.E. I plan to try that out
shortly. Might be worth checking out yourself.

>As I mentioned in another post on here, I installed IE6 shortly after
>it came out, and it completely screwed up windows so bad that I had to
>reformat and start over. Maybe they got the bugs out since then but I
>am not too comfortable trying it. I dont use OE at all. I never
>liked it, and using it for newsgroups is horrible compared to Agent.
>I still use Eudora 3.x for email. It's text only, and that makes it
>very safe. If someone sends a html file with graphics, I only see
>text, but I can manually click on the pictures if I want. Everytime I
>have installed Windows, I immediately delete the OE directory. Why
>waste drive space on something I will never use.
>


Olin McDaniel
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