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From: M Skabialka on 19 May 2010 17:25
I have read that there will be no copy/paste clipboard in Windows Mobile 7
but I use that feature a lot in 6.5.
e.g. after I went to the dentist today he gave me two more appointments - I
copied today's appointment and pasted twice on the appropriate days and
times and was done in less than a minute. In replying to an email I copied
some text from another email and a link from Internet explorer. I often
find uses for this feature on my touch screen phone that save me time keying
in or transcribing text.

Is there a way to let Microsoft know that this is unacceptable?


From: Todd Allcock on 19 May 2010 23:41
At 19 May 2010 16:25:15 -0500 M Skabialka wrote:
> I have read that there will be no copy/paste clipboard in Windows
Mobile 7
> but I use that feature a lot in 6.5.
> e.g. after I went to the dentist today he gave me two more appointments
- I
> copied today's appointment and pasted twice on the appropriate days and
> times and was done in less than a minute. In replying to an email I
copied
> some text from another email and a link from Internet explorer. I
often
> find uses for this feature on my touch screen phone that save me time
keying
> in or transcribing text.
>
> Is there a way to let Microsoft know that this is unacceptable?

Other than by not buying a WP7 device?

Judging by the feedback I've seen, I'd say they already know that many of
us find it unacceptable. I'd also suggest we're not necessarily the
indended market for WP7.

I think Microsoft is envisioning WP7 in much the same way Apple
envisioned the iPhone- as a content consumption device, not a content
creation device.

I'd probably expect anyone who worked on WP7 to say "why are you entering
the appointments on the device? Just type them on your PC and watch them
magically sync to the device over the air... ...and then you can tweet
about it!"

To me, it looks like the design philosophy of WP7 was "portable access to
your data" with "data" being defined as media, and social networking
contacts. Sadly, the designers seem to be more worried about providing a
good Facebook experience than putting a mobile computer in my pocket,
which seemed to be the goal of the previous iterations of the OS.

Having said that, the runaway success of the iPhone suggests that
consumers by-and-large don't care about things like cut and paste or
multitasking as much as an intuitive UI and a little "sizzle."

I had hoped that Microsoft would be able to improve the user experience
without sacrificing power and flexibility, but, alas, it doesn't seem
like it.


From: M Skabialka on 20 May 2010 09:15
If I had wanted an iPhone I would have bought one, but I liked my PDA which
synced to my PC, and bought a smart phone because it did too. My phone is
my data entry device, my PC is my backup. I enter calendar items whenever
they come up because my phone is always with me. I hear about a festival
coming up - I add it to the phone, someone calls - I add them to my contacts
on my phone, I suddenly remember something I have to do later - I add a task
on my phone. Sure I could write these on a scrap of paper and enter them on
my PC later - maybe - if I had the paper handy, and remembered to do it, but
that's the beauty of having the smart phone in the first place - enter it
immediately.

Honestly I think the iPhone users are a different type of user, and
Microsoft needs to cater to the rest of us, not follow the Apple crowd.

"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
news:Jd2Jn.16637$rE4.13349(a)newsfe15.iad...
> At 19 May 2010 16:25:15 -0500 M Skabialka wrote:
>> I have read that there will be no copy/paste clipboard in Windows
> Mobile 7
>> but I use that feature a lot in 6.5.
>> e.g. after I went to the dentist today he gave me two more appointments
> - I
>> copied today's appointment and pasted twice on the appropriate days and
>> times and was done in less than a minute. In replying to an email I
> copied
>> some text from another email and a link from Internet explorer. I
> often
>> find uses for this feature on my touch screen phone that save me time
> keying
>> in or transcribing text.
>>
>> Is there a way to let Microsoft know that this is unacceptable?
>
> Other than by not buying a WP7 device?
>
> Judging by the feedback I've seen, I'd say they already know that many of
> us find it unacceptable. I'd also suggest we're not necessarily the
> indended market for WP7.
>
> I think Microsoft is envisioning WP7 in much the same way Apple
> envisioned the iPhone- as a content consumption device, not a content
> creation device.
>
> I'd probably expect anyone who worked on WP7 to say "why are you entering
> the appointments on the device? Just type them on your PC and watch them
> magically sync to the device over the air... ...and then you can tweet
> about it!"
>
> To me, it looks like the design philosophy of WP7 was "portable access to
> your data" with "data" being defined as media, and social networking
> contacts. Sadly, the designers seem to be more worried about providing a
> good Facebook experience than putting a mobile computer in my pocket,
> which seemed to be the goal of the previous iterations of the OS.
>
> Having said that, the runaway success of the iPhone suggests that
> consumers by-and-large don't care about things like cut and paste or
> multitasking as much as an intuitive UI and a little "sizzle."
>
> I had hoped that Microsoft would be able to improve the user experience
> without sacrificing power and flexibility, but, alas, it doesn't seem
> like it.
>
>


From: Todd Allcock on 20 May 2010 11:00
You certainly won't get any argument from me! There is (was) certainly
room for improvement in Windows Mobile, especially with making the UI
more finger-friendly, adding a good browser, fixing the mess that is WMDC
once and for all, and a tightening up of minimum hardware specs to insure
the base apps ran smoothly.

Unfortunately, I suspect the powers that be decided WinMo needed a reboot
from the ground up, which would've been a fine idea if they started two
years ago, but I suspect they waited until WM6.5's lackluster reception
to get the ball really rolling, and now find themselves under deadlines
and letting features slip.

I'd probably be more forgiving if I thought this strategy would pay off,
but I can't see, even with the good reception in the tech press from the
previews, why WP7 will be any more successful stealing sales from the
iPhone than Zune was stealing sales from the iPod.

There's nothing wrong with the Zune- they're decent media players, but
the iPod was too entrenched to be threatened by a new player with only
marginally more functionality - I see WP7 having the same hurdle. Except
for perhaps the Xbox fans looking forward to the Xbox integration, I
can't figure out who, exactly, is supposed to buy a WP7 device that
doesn't already have an iPhone, and therefore has invested in that
ecosystem with apps, hardware accessories, etc.?


At 20 May 2010 08:15:03 -0500 M Skabialka wrote:
> If I had wanted an iPhone I would have bought one, but I liked my PDA
which
> synced to my PC, and bought a smart phone because it did too. My phone
is
> my data entry device, my PC is my backup. I enter calendar items
whenever
> they come up because my phone is always with me. I hear about a
festival
> coming up - I add it to the phone, someone calls - I add them to my
contacts
> on my phone, I suddenly remember something I have to do later - I add a
task
> on my phone. Sure I could write these on a scrap of paper and enter
them on
> my PC later - maybe - if I had the paper handy, and remembered to do
it, but
> that's the beauty of having the smart phone in the first place - enter
it
> immediately.
>
> Honestly I think the iPhone users are a different type of user, and
> Microsoft needs to cater to the rest of us, not follow the Apple crowd.
>
> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
> news:Jd2Jn.16637$rE4.13349(a)newsfe15.iad...
> > At 19 May 2010 16:25:15 -0500 M Skabialka wrote:
> >> I have read that there will be no copy/paste clipboard in Windows
> > Mobile 7
> >> but I use that feature a lot in 6.5.
> >> e.g. after I went to the dentist today he gave me two more
appointments
> > - I
> >> copied today's appointment and pasted twice on the appropriate days
and
> >> times and was done in less than a minute. In replying to an email I
> > copied
> >> some text from another email and a link from Internet explorer. I
> > often
> >> find uses for this feature on my touch screen phone that save me time
> > keying
> >> in or transcribing text.
> >>
> >> Is there a way to let Microsoft know that this is unacceptable?
> >
> > Other than by not buying a WP7 device?
> >
> > Judging by the feedback I've seen, I'd say they already know that
many of
> > us find it unacceptable. I'd also suggest we're not necessarily the
> > indended market for WP7.
> >
> > I think Microsoft is envisioning WP7 in much the same way Apple
> > envisioned the iPhone- as a content consumption device, not a content
> > creation device.
> >
> > I'd probably expect anyone who worked on WP7 to say "why are you
entering
> > the appointments on the device? Just type them on your PC and watch
them
> > magically sync to the device over the air... ...and then you can
tweet
> > about it!"
> >
> > To me, it looks like the design philosophy of WP7 was "portable
access to
> > your data" with "data" being defined as media, and social networking
> > contacts. Sadly, the designers seem to be more worried about
providing a
> > good Facebook experience than putting a mobile computer in my pocket,
> > which seemed to be the goal of the previous iterations of the OS.
> >
> > Having said that, the runaway success of the iPhone suggests that
> > consumers by-and-large don't care about things like cut and paste or
> > multitasking as much as an intuitive UI and a little "sizzle."
> >
> > I had hoped that Microsoft would be able to improve the user
experience
> > without sacrificing power and flexibility, but, alas, it doesn't seem
> > like it.
> >
> >
>
>

From: Frankster on 20 May 2010 11:29
My guess is that individual apps will maintain copy/paste (i.e. the calendar
app, word, excel, etc.). Very possibly even integrated between each other.
We'll see. Certainly all the office 2010 apps.

-Frank

"M Skabialka" <mskabialka(a)NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
news:O4dKHn59KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I have read that there will be no copy/paste clipboard in Windows Mobile 7
>but I use that feature a lot in 6.5.
> e.g. after I went to the dentist today he gave me two more appointments -
> I copied today's appointment and pasted twice on the appropriate days and
> times and was done in less than a minute. In replying to an email I
> copied some text from another email and a link from Internet explorer. I
> often find uses for this feature on my touch screen phone that save me
> time keying in or transcribing text.
>
> Is there a way to let Microsoft know that this is unacceptable?
>

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