From: rickman on 22 Mar 2010 13:40 On Mar 22, 2:28 am, Magnetic <magnetic.t...(a)yandex.ua> wrote: > > OTOH, the chance that Magnetic is a raving lunatic or a troll is very > > high, and the fact that he's making terrorist threats against Geneva is > > absolutely uncontrovertible. > > > So you want to believe a terrorist? > > Idiot! > > If you want to live, beat physicists. > Ruin CERN. > Write to Geneva and plead the citizens of Geneva to block the > entrances to LHC. > > Otherwise we all will be killed by CERNs criminals in some of nearest > days. I wonder if they are going to make a disaster movie about this? BLACK HOLE, The End of the World!, coming to a theater near you! I guess one question is about the claim of cosmic rays being so much more powerful than the collisions at CERN. If so, why can't they study cosmic rays rather than build a multi-billion euro/dollar/pound facility that may or may not be big enough to answer the questions they seek answers to. Even if it does provide some insight, it will be obsolete in what, five, ten years? Then they will be wanting to build a new one that circles the globe, right? I just can't see the point of pouring so much money into a project that will likely raise more questions than it answers... A scientist was giving a lecture on cosmology to a mixed audience. Afterwords a little old lady approached him and told him that he was wrong. Asking what he was wrong about, she replied that the Earth was actually supported on the back of a very large turtle. Amused by this idea he asked what the turtle was standing on. She replied that it was standing on the backs of four other turtles. In turn he asked what these turtles were standing on. Her reply, still more turtles... this went on for a couple more rounds until the scientist asked again and the lady replied, "Tut, tut young man! You can't fool me! It's turtles all the way down!" The CERN LHC is just going to show us the next level of turtles. Rick
From: gil_johnson on 22 Mar 2010 16:15 On Mar 22, 12:40 pm, rickman <gnu...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I guess one question is about the claim of cosmic rays being so much > more powerful than the collisions at CERN. If so, why can't they > study cosmic rays rather than build a multi-billion euro/dollar/pound > facility that may or may not be big enough to answer the questions > they seek answers to. Even if it does provide some insight, it will > be obsolete in what, five, ten years? Then they will be wanting to > build a new one that circles the globe, right? > > Rick The LHC can generate many collisions of known particles in a small volume, inside a *massive* detector. Cosmic rays have been studied but the information available with normal detectors is limited, and waiting for a lucky collision inside a detector like that at CERN is impractical - even graduate students couldn't be forced to wait that long - Gil
From: rickman on 22 Mar 2010 23:56 On Mar 22, 4:15 pm, gil_johnson <x7-g5W...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > On Mar 22, 12:40 pm, rickman <gnu...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I guess one question is about the claim of cosmic rays being so much > > more powerful than the collisions at CERN. If so, why can't they > > study cosmic rays rather than build a multi-billion euro/dollar/pound > > facility that may or may not be big enough to answer the questions > > they seek answers to. Even if it does provide some insight, it will > > be obsolete in what, five, ten years? Then they will be wanting to > > build a new one that circles the globe, right? > > > Rick > > The LHC can generate many collisions of known particles in a small > volume, inside a *massive* detector. Cosmic rays have been studied > but the information available with normal detectors is limited, and > waiting for a lucky collision inside a detector like that at CERN is > impractical - even graduate students couldn't be forced to wait that > long - Gil For the billions it cost to build and run the LHC, I could wait... Exactly what again is the question they are trying to answer? Rick
From: Sam Wormley on 22 Mar 2010 23:58 On 3/22/10 1:28 AM, Magnetic wrote: > > > If you want to live, beat physicists. > Ruin CERN. > Write to Geneva and plead the citizens of Geneva to block the > entrances to LHC. > You will certainly die, but it will probably be from smoking, high blood pressure and drinking, not scientific study of the very early universe.
From: Sjouke Burry on 23 Mar 2010 00:38 rickman wrote: > On Mar 22, 4:15 pm, gil_johnson <x7-g5W...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> On Mar 22, 12:40 pm, rickman <gnu...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I guess one question is about the claim of cosmic rays being so much >>> more powerful than the collisions at CERN. If so, why can't they >>> study cosmic rays rather than build a multi-billion euro/dollar/pound >>> facility that may or may not be big enough to answer the questions >>> they seek answers to. Even if it does provide some insight, it will >>> be obsolete in what, five, ten years? Then they will be wanting to >>> build a new one that circles the globe, right? >>> Rick >> The LHC can generate many collisions of known particles in a small >> volume, inside a *massive* detector. Cosmic rays have been studied >> but the information available with normal detectors is limited, and >> waiting for a lucky collision inside a detector like that at CERN is >> impractical - even graduate students couldn't be forced to wait that >> long - Gil > > For the billions it cost to build and run the LHC, I could wait... > > Exactly what again is the question they are trying to answer? > > Rick They want to know about the whichness of why and unscrew some of the secrets of nature.
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