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From: jemptymethod on 26 Jul 2010 07:21 I would like to encourage Tcl developers to use the hv3 web browser written in Tcl. The underlying project is open source but has stagnated and I think could be an excellent opportunity for Tcl developers to get involved. Windows and Linux versions can be downloaded at: http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3.html You can grab the executables if you just want to start browsing, or the starkits if you want to unwrap them and start hacking. The usenet group for the underlying tkhmtl project is at: http://groups.google.com/group/tkhtml3 Supposedly tkhtml has been forked (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ tkhtml/develop) but no files seem to have released.
From: Kevin Walzer on 26 Jul 2010 10:10 On 7/26/10 7:21 AM, jemptymethod wrote: > I would like to encourage Tcl developers to use the hv3 web browser > written in Tcl. The underlying project is open source but has > stagnated and I think could be an excellent opportunity for Tcl > developers to get involved. > > Windows and Linux versions can be downloaded at: http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3.html > You can grab the executables if you just want to start browsing, or > the starkits if you want to unwrap them and start hacking. > > The usenet group for the underlying tkhmtl project is at: > http://groups.google.com/group/tkhtml3 > > Supposedly tkhtml has been forked (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ > tkhtml/develop) but no files seem to have released. I am sticking with TkHTML2 not because it's superior but because it is much easier to use. It comes with a simple example client script (the original hv.tcl) which has been hacked on over the past several years, and most of the bugs/limitations/quirks of it have been figured out or worked around. TkHTML3 lacks a similar, simple example script for displaying simple HTML or a basic web page. hv3, which is a full-blown web browser, doesn't serve this purpose. I think the reason no one has taken up the TkHTML3 mantle is the complexity of the task. Dan Kennedy worked on it full-time for two or three years just to bring it to its current alpha-state. It seems to be a massive undertaking, one that's certainly beyond my capabilities. --Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com
From: jemptymethod on 26 Jul 2010 19:00 On Jul 26, 10:10 am, Kevin Walzer <k...(a)codebykevin.com> wrote: > On 7/26/10 7:21 AM, jemptymethod wrote: > > > I would like to encourage Tcl developers to use the hv3 web browser > > written in Tcl. The underlying project is open source but has > > stagnated and I think could be an excellent opportunity for Tcl > > developers to get involved. > > > Windows and Linux versions can be downloaded at:http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3.html > > You can grab the executables if you just want to start browsing, or > > the starkits if you want to unwrap them and start hacking. > > > The usenet group for the underlying tkhmtl project is at: > >http://groups.google.com/group/tkhtml3 > > > Supposedly tkhtml has been forked (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ > > tkhtml/develop) but no files seem to have released. > > I am sticking with TkHTML2 not because it's superior but because it is > much easier to use. It comes with a simple example client script (the > original hv.tcl) which has been hacked on over the past several years, > and most of the bugs/limitations/quirks of it have been figured out or > worked around. > > TkHTML3 lacks a similar, simple example script for displaying simple > HTML or a basic web page. hv3, which is a full-blown web browser, > doesn't serve this purpose. > > I think the reason no one has taken up the TkHTML3 mantle is the > complexity of the task. That sounds about right. And I must admit, I have an agenda. I've used hv3 as the custom brower within "deskml" (with modifications), a platform for developing desktop apps from web content, not unlike Adobe AIR: http://code.google.com/p/deskml/ Now I've used the deskml platform to create an ebook as an .exe file with an embedded Javascript widget. Windows version is at: http://deskml.nfshost.com/dwpress/stauntons_footsteps.exe The biggest issue with the prototype is that the CSS min-width attribute is not working, so if sometimes the columns in the chess board within the ebook disappear, that is why. This issue (the CSS min-width attribute) is the subject of the most recent post on the tkhtml group. The more Tcl'ers who use hv3, the better chance I have of getting that question answered. I'm not nearly as good of a Tcl dev as web dev :( If I must I will try to get there on my own. But I'd rather get some more talented Tcl developers involved, to push both the platform and ebook concept forward, as well as hv3 (As for my web dev abilities, to debug a different issue this past weekend while developing my chess/ebook prototype, I developed a crude equivalent of Firebug's console.log for the hv3 browser embedded in deskml). I believe pushing all of the above could amount to some useful Tcl advocacy not to mention the entrepreneurial opportunities; for instance, I've worked on a team at Yahoo! who'd previously worked with a (serial) entrepreneur (with VC ties) who sold his browser-based tech company to Yahoo! for tens of millions. Adobe has spent 10s of millions on AIR but I glued deskml together in a couple of weekends. I'm betting hv3, deskml and/or dynamic ebooks are "worth" at least that much as prototypes, and am looking to attract some fellow gamblers. Improvements to hv3 and/or deskml would certainly be readily provided as open source, whereas the model for the dynamic/ ebooks would be to find customers/publishers wanting to leverage a framework to create ebooks, which would readers would then pay for just as they do for books on Kindle. The very narrow chess vertical is intended as a proving ground, in the hope that the concept could eventually be applied to broader genres.
From: hae on 27 Jul 2010 02:00 Hi, just tried your ebook. I am behind a proxy and get a few error messages about not connecting. Here is one: ------->8-------->8-------------- couldn't open socket: connection refused couldn't open socket: connection refused while executing "::http::geturl http://tom.jabber.ee/chessblog/wp-content/pgnviewer/img/zurich/board/darksquare.gif -command {::hv3::protocol::inst1 _DownloadCallback ..." ("eval" body line 1) invoked from within "eval $geturl" (procedure "request_http" line 70) invoked from within "request_http ::hv3::protocol::inst1 ::hv3::request::inst6" (in namespace eval "::hv3::protocol" script line 1) invoked from within "namespace eval ::hv3::protocol $m ::hv3::protocol::inst1 $args" (procedure "::hv3::protocol::inst1" line 1) invoked from within "::hv3::protocol::inst1 request_http ::hv3::request::inst6" ("eval" body line 1) invoked from within "eval [concat $O(scheme.$uri_scheme) $downloadHandle]" (procedure "requestcmd" line 18) invoked from within "requestcmd ::hv3::protocol::inst1 ::hv3::request::inst6" (in namespace eval "::hv3::protocol" script line 1) invoked from within "namespace eval ::hv3::protocol $m ::hv3::protocol::inst1 $args" (procedure "::hv3::protocol::inst1" line 1) invoked from within "::hv3::protocol::inst1 requestcmd ::hv3::request::inst6" invoked from within "catch $cmd errmsg" (procedure "makerequest" line 10) invoked from within "makerequest ::hv3::hv3::inst1 ::hv3::request::inst6" (in namespace eval "::hv3::hv3" script line 1) invoked from within "namespace eval ::hv3::hv3 $m ::hv3::hv3::inst1 $args" (procedure "::hv3::hv3::inst1" line 1) invoked from within "$me makerequest $handle" (procedure "Imagecmd" line 22) invoked from within "Imagecmd ::hv3::hv3::inst1 http://tom.jabber.ee/chessblog/wp-content/pgnviewer/img/zurich/board/darksquare.gif" (in namespace eval "::hv3::hv3" script line 1) invoked from within "namespace eval ::hv3::hv3 $m ::hv3::hv3::inst1 $args" (procedure "::hv3::hv3::inst1" line 1) invoked from within "::hv3::hv3::inst1 Imagecmd http://tom.jabber.ee/chessblog/wp-content/pgnviewer/img/zurich/board/darksquare.gif" -------8<--------8<-------------- Maybe you could first check if a connection can be established. If not you could then ask for connection settings. I once was eager too try out tkhtml but it was complex to use it and I gave up. So having an simple script that sets up most things - as Kevin suggests - would really. Rüdiger On 27 Jul., 01:00, jemptymethod <jemptymet...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 26, 10:10 am, Kevin Walzer <k...(a)codebykevin.com> wrote: > > > > > On 7/26/10 7:21 AM, jemptymethod wrote: > > > > I would like to encourage Tcl developers to use the hv3 web browser > > > written in Tcl. The underlying project is open source but has > > > stagnated and I think could be an excellent opportunity for Tcl > > > developers to get involved. > > > > Windows and Linux versions can be downloaded at:http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3.html > > > You can grab the executables if you just want to start browsing, or > > > the starkits if you want to unwrap them and start hacking. > > > > The usenet group for the underlying tkhmtl project is at: > > >http://groups.google.com/group/tkhtml3 > > > > Supposedly tkhtml has been forked (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ > > > tkhtml/develop) but no files seem to have released. > > > I am sticking with TkHTML2 not because it's superior but because it is > > much easier to use. It comes with a simple example client script (the > > original hv.tcl) which has been hacked on over the past several years, > > and most of the bugs/limitations/quirks of it have been figured out or > > worked around. > > > TkHTML3 lacks a similar, simple example script for displaying simple > > HTML or a basic web page. hv3, which is a full-blown web browser, > > doesn't serve this purpose. > > > I think the reason no one has taken up the TkHTML3 mantle is the > > complexity of the task. > > That sounds about right. And I must admit, I have an agenda. I've > used hv3 as the custom brower within "deskml" (with modifications), a > platform for developing desktop apps from web content, not unlike > Adobe AIR:http://code.google.com/p/deskml/ > > Now I've used the deskml platform to create an ebook as an .exe file > with an embedded Javascript widget. Windows version is at:http://deskml.nfshost.com/dwpress/stauntons_footsteps.exe The biggest > issue with the prototype is that the CSS min-width attribute is not > working, so if sometimes the columns in the chess board within the > ebook disappear, that is why. > > This issue (the CSS min-width attribute) is the subject of the most > recent post on the tkhtml group. The more Tcl'ers who use hv3, the > better chance I have of getting that question answered. > > I'm not nearly as good of a Tcl dev as web dev :( If I must I will > try to get there on my own. But I'd rather get some more talented Tcl > developers involved, to push both the platform and ebook concept > forward, as well as hv3 (As for my web dev abilities, to debug a > different issue this past weekend while developing my chess/ebook > prototype, I developed a crude equivalent of Firebug's console.log for > the hv3 browser embedded in deskml). > > I believe pushing all of the above could amount to some useful Tcl > advocacy not to mention the entrepreneurial opportunities; for > instance, I've worked on a team at Yahoo! who'd previously worked with > a (serial) entrepreneur (with VC ties) who sold his browser-based tech > company to Yahoo! for tens of millions. Adobe has spent 10s of > millions on AIR but I glued deskml together in a couple of weekends. > I'm betting hv3, deskml and/or dynamic ebooks are "worth" at least > that much as prototypes, and am looking to attract some fellow > gamblers. Improvements to hv3 and/or deskml would certainly be > readily provided as open source, whereas the model for the dynamic/ > ebooks would be to find customers/publishers wanting to leverage a > framework to create ebooks, which would readers would then pay for > just as they do for books on Kindle. The very narrow chess vertical > is intended as a proving ground, in the hope that the concept could > eventually be applied to broader genres.
From: hae on 27 Jul 2010 02:07
Hello, just downloaded the hv3-win32-nightly-08_0203.exe. How can I set up the connection settings, ie. proxy name and port? Rüdiger On 26 Jul., 13:21, jemptymethod <jemptymet...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I would like to encourage Tcl developers to use the hv3 web browser > written in Tcl. The underlying project is open source but has > stagnated and I think could be an excellent opportunity for Tcl > developers to get involved. > > Windows and Linux versions can be downloaded at:http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3.html > You can grab the executables if you just want to start browsing, or > the starkits if you want to unwrap them and start hacking. > > The usenet group for the underlying tkhmtl project is at:http://groups.google.com/group/tkhtml3 > > Supposedly tkhtml has been forked (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ > tkhtml/develop) but no files seem to have released. |