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From: Lie_Algebra on 16 Jul 2010 01:48 This is an Example 4.15 of the book "An introduction to Lie groups and Lie Algebras" by Kirillov. link: (p52) http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~kirillov/liegroups/liegroups.pdf =================================================== Example 4.15. Let B be a bilinear form on a representation V. Then B is invariant under the action of G defined in Example 4.12 (please see the link) iff B(gv, gw)= B(v, w) (1) for any g \in G, v,w \in V. Similarly, B is invariant under the action of \mathfrak{g} iff B(x.v, w) + B(v, x.w) = 0 (2) for any x \in \mathfrak{g}, v, w \in V. (*) We leave it to the reader to check that B is invariant iff the linear map V-->V^* defined by v |-> B(v, -) is a morphism of representations. ==================================================== The definition of (1) makes sense to me. Anyhow, I am having hard time understanding how (2) is derived or defined. Can anyone give some hints or thoughts including (*)? Thanks.
From: José Carlos Santos on 16 Jul 2010 10:32 On 16-07-2010 10:48, Lie_Algebra wrote: > This is an Example 4.15 of the book "An introduction to Lie groups and Lie Algebras" by Kirillov. > > link: (p52) > http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~kirillov/liegroups/liegroups.pdf > > =================================================== > Example 4.15. > Let B be a bilinear form on a representation V. Then B is invariant under the action of G defined in Example 4.12 (please see the link) iff > > B(gv, gw)= B(v, w) (1) > > for any g \in G, v,w \in V. Similarly, B is invariant under the action of \mathfrak{g} iff > > B(x.v, w) + B(v, x.w) = 0 (2) > > for any x \in \mathfrak{g}, v, w \in V. > > (*) We leave it to the reader to check that B is invariant iff the linear map V-->V^* defined by v |-> B(v, -) is a morphism of representations. > ==================================================== > The definition of (1) makes sense to me. Anyhow, I am having hard time understanding how (2) is derived or defined. Consider the equality (1) and see it as an equality between two functions from G into R (or C). The second function is constant, of course. Now, derive this equality. On the left you get B(X.v,w) + B(v,X.w) and on the right you get 0, of course. > Can anyone give some hints or thoughts including (*)? Do you know what's the action of _g_ on V^* induced from the action of _g_ on V? If you do, then a very short computation (three equalities) will solve this problem. Best regards, Jose Carlos Santos
From: Maarten Bergvelt on 16 Jul 2010 11:19 On 2010-07-16, Lie_Algebra <liealgebra11(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This is an Example 4.15 of the book "An introduction to Lie groups and Lie Algebras" by Kirillov. > > link: (p52) > http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~kirillov/liegroups/liegroups.pdf > >=================================================== > Example 4.15. > Let B be a bilinear form on a representation V. Then B is invariant under the action of G defined in Example 4.12 (please see the link) iff > > B(gv, gw)= B(v, w) (1) > > for any g \in G, v,w \in V. Similarly, B is invariant under the action of \mathfrak{g} iff > > B(x.v, w) + B(v, x.w) = 0 (2) > > for any x \in \mathfrak{g}, v, w \in V. > > (*) We leave it to the reader to check that B is invariant iff the linear map V-->V^* defined by v |-> B(v, -) is a morphism of representations. >==================================================== > The definition of (1) makes sense to me. Anyhow, I am having hard time understanding how (2) is derived or defined. > > Can anyone give some hints or thoughts including (*)? Hint for thinking about (2): if x is in the lie algebra, g(t)=exp(tx) should be in the corresponding Lie group. But this in (1) and differentiate wrt t. For (*) think about what it means to be a morphism of representations of G or \mathfrak{k}. -- Maarten Bergvelt
From: Lie_Algebra on 16 Jul 2010 07:40 > On 16-07-2010 10:48, Lie_Algebra wrote: > > > This is an Example 4.15 of the book "An > introduction to Lie groups and Lie Algebras" by > Kirillov. > > > > link: (p52) > > > http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~kirillov/liegroups/liegrou > ps.pdf > > > > =================================================== > > Example 4.15. > > Let B be a bilinear form on a representation V. > Then B is invariant under the action of G defined in > Example 4.12 (please see the link) iff > > > > B(gv, gw)= B(v, w) (1) > > > > for any g \in G, v,w \in V. Similarly, B is > invariant under the action of \mathfrak{g} iff > > > > B(x.v, w) + B(v, x.w) = 0 (2) > > > > for any x \in \mathfrak{g}, v, w \in V. > > > > (*) We leave it to the reader to check that B is > invariant iff the linear map V-->V^* defined by v |-> > B(v, -) is a morphism of representations. > > > ==================================================== > > The definition of (1) makes sense to me. Anyhow, I > am having hard time understanding how (2) is derived > or defined. > > Consider the equality (1) and see it as an equality > between two > functions from G into R (or C). The second function > is constant, of > course. Now, derive this equality. On the left you > get > > B(X.v,w) + B(v,X.w) > > and on the right you get 0, of course. What are your first and second functions? I still can't figure out how the equality is derived. > > Can anyone give some hints or thoughts including > (*)? > > Do you know what's the action of _g_ on V^* induced > from the action of > _g_ on V? If you do, then a very short computation > (three equalities) > will solve this problem. > > Best regards, > > Jose Carlos Santos For the action of _g_ on V^* induced from the action of _g_ on V, the proof in the Lemma 4.10 in the link says (quote), ==================================================== "To define the action of G, _g_ on V^*, we require that the natural pairing V (x) V^* -->C be a morphism of representations, considering C as the trivial representation, This gives, for v \in V, v* \in V^*, <\rho(g)v, \rho(g)v^*> = <v, v^*>, so the action of G in V^* is given by \rho_{V^*}(g) = \rho(g^-1)^t, where for A:V-->V, we denote A^t in the adjoint operator V^*-->V^*. Similarly, for the action of _g_, we get <\rho(x)v, v^*> + <v, \rho(x)v^* > = 0, so rho_{V^*}(g) = -(\rho_V(x))^t " ================================================== 1. Why those pairings <\rho(g)v, \rho(g)v^*> = <v, v^*> work? 2. Why \rho_{V^*}(g) = \rho(g^-1)^t I saw the similar one in the first chapter of Fulton's Representation theory, but I am not able to fully understand it. Thanks.
From: José Carlos Santos on 16 Jul 2010 17:59 On 16-07-2010 16:40, Lie_Algebra wrote: >>> This is an Example 4.15 of the book "An >> introduction to Lie groups and Lie Algebras" by >> Kirillov. >>> >>> link: (p52) >>> >> http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~kirillov/liegroups/liegrou >> ps.pdf >>> >>> =================================================== >>> Example 4.15. >>> Let B be a bilinear form on a representation V. >> Then B is invariant under the action of G defined in >> Example 4.12 (please see the link) iff >>> >>> B(gv, gw)= B(v, w) (1) >>> >>> for any g \in G, v,w \in V. Similarly, B is >> invariant under the action of \mathfrak{g} iff >>> >>> B(x.v, w) + B(v, x.w) = 0 (2) >>> >>> for any x \in \mathfrak{g}, v, w \in V. >>> >>> (*) We leave it to the reader to check that B is >> invariant iff the linear map V-->V^* defined by v |-> >> B(v, -) is a morphism of representations. >>> >> ==================================================== >>> The definition of (1) makes sense to me. Anyhow, I >> am having hard time understanding how (2) is derived >> or defined. >> >> Consider the equality (1) and see it as an equality between two >> functions from G into R (or C). The second function is constant, of >> course. Now, derive this equality. On the left you get >> >> B(X.v,w) + B(v,X.w) >> >> and on the right you get 0, of course. > > What are your first and second functions? I still can't figure out how the equality is derived. My functions are functions from G into R. The first function is the function defined by g |-> B(g.v,g.w), whereas the second one is defined by g |-> B(v,w) (_v_ and _w_ are fixed). Now, take X in _g_. Consider the map from R into R defined by t |-> B(exp(t X).v,exp(t X).w). It is a constant map. Therefore, its derivative at 0 is 0. But the derivative at 0 is B(X.v,w) + B(v,X.W). >>> Can anyone give some hints or thoughts including (*)? >> >> Do you know what's the action of _g_ on V^* induced from the action of >> _g_ on V? If you do, then a very short computation (three equalities) >> will solve this problem. > > For the action of _g_ on V^* induced from the action of > _g_ on V, the proof in the Lemma 4.10 in the link says (quote), > ==================================================== > "To define the action of G, _g_ on V^*, we require that the natural > pairing V (x) V^* -->C be a morphism of representations, considering > C as the trivial representation, This gives, for v \in V, v* \in V^*, > <\rho(g)v, \rho(g)v^*> =<v, v^*>, so the action of G in V^* is > given by \rho_{V^*}(g) = \rho(g^-1)^t, where for A:V-->V, we denote > A^t in the adjoint operator V^*-->V^*. Similarly, for the action of > _g_, we get<\rho(x)v, v^*> +<v, \rho(x)v^*> = 0, so rho_{V^*}(g) = > -(\rho_V(x))^t " > ================================================== > > 1. Why those pairings<\rho(g)v, \rho(g)v^*> =<v, v^*> work? I am not sure about what you meant with the word "work". Anyway, the author wants to define \rho(g)v^* in a such a way that the equality <\rho(g)v, \rho(g)v^*> =<v, v^*> holds. > 2. Why \rho_{V^*}(g) = \rho(g^-1)^t Do you know what "adjoint operator" means? Best regards, Jose Carlos Santos
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