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From: Eli Y. Kling on 7 Jan 2010 04:55
Hmmm,

MAKING it talk has the connotations of a Water-Boarding. When you
torture the data you get Over-Fitting – it tells you what you want to
hear. I prefer to sit down with my data to a nice dinner and maybe
invite it up later for ‘Coffee’. Advanced techniques work better than
crude force and allow to coax and tease out those shy correlation,
interactions and trends.

Nerds Rule.


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From: Frank DiIorio on 7 Jan 2010 06:08
On Jan 7, 4:55 am, "Eli Y. Kling" <eli.kl...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm,
>
> MAKING it talk has the connotations of a Water-Boarding. When you
> torture the data you get Over-Fitting – it tells you what you want to
> hear. I prefer to sit down with my data to a nice dinner and maybe
> invite it up later for ‘Coffee’. Advanced techniques work better than
> crude force and allow to coax and tease out those shy correlation,
> interactions and trends.
>
> Nerds Rule.

Maybe so, but I prefer the "24" approach, with Jack Bauer holding a
hot iron close to the face of the dataset, screaming "TELL ME NOW!
WHERE IS THE CORRELATION?! AND WHY THE F*** ARE MY TABLES SPARSE?
WHERE DID YOU PUT THE MISSING VALUES?" Dinner and afterglow are fine,
but when you need results in a hurry, I'd go for the Bauer method.
I'd also respectfully add that the "coaxing and teasing" methods are
manipulative, and are not unlike getting a drunken prom queen to do
your bidding.

Nerds do, indeed, rule (or maybe we watch too much TV)

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