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From: Dirk Bell on 16 Jul 2010 13:21
On Jul 15, 3:59 pm, "Pete Fraser" <pfra...(a)covad.net> wrote:
> "Dirk Bell" <bellda2...(a)cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:dc060ec2-6480-4ff2-af0e-f28655d4527a(a)i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I actually regret not getting [a PhD]
>
> I don't.
> I decided I could probably learn more in my first job
> than I could by doing a PhD. I think that was the
> correct decision. I think I lucked out with a great
> first job though.
>
> Pete

I had the same experience at my first job, but in the long term a PhD
would have had more cummulative benefits. You could still have had a
job where you learned a lot after the PhD.

Dirk
From: Jerry Avins on 16 Jul 2010 21:55
On 7/16/2010 9:24 AM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:

...

> If that matters, I had rebuilt a car engine, too.

It matters. It really does. I've worked with Ph.D.s who didn't know
which end of a soldering iron to pick up -- they learn fast! -- and who
thought that curved lines on a capacitor symbols were for artistic
effect. That never happened with one who knew how to fix a flat tire.

Jerry
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From: steveu on 17 Jul 2010 23:14
>On Jul 15, 3:59=A0pm, "Pete Fraser" <pfra...(a)covad.net> wrote:
>> "Dirk Bell" <bellda2...(a)cox.net> wrote in message
>>
>>
news:dc060ec2-6480-4ff2-af0e-f28655d4527a(a)i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > I actually regret not getting [a PhD]
>>
>> I don't.
>> I decided I could probably learn more in my first job
>> than I could by doing a PhD. I think that was the
>> correct decision. I think I lucked out with a great
>> first job though.
>>
>> Pete
>
>I had the same experience at my first job, but in the long term a PhD
>would have had more cummulative benefits. You could still have had a
>job where you learned a lot after the PhD.

What cumulative benefit would a PhD have, unless you are an academic, where
a PhD is a gating point for a job? For anything else it should become less
significant with time, not more. If someone looks 25 you probably ask them
about their education. If they look 45 you ask them what they have achieved
in life.

Steve

From: Vladimir Vassilevsky on 18 Jul 2010 00:00


steveu wrote:

>>On Jul 15, 3:59=A0pm, "Pete Fraser" <pfra...(a)covad.net> wrote:
>>

>>I had the same experience at my first job, but in the long term a PhD
>>would have had more cummulative benefits. You could still have had a
>>job where you learned a lot after the PhD.
>
> What cumulative benefit would a PhD have, unless you are an academic, where
> a PhD is a gating point for a job? For anything else it should become less
> significant with time, not more. If someone looks 25 you probably ask them
> about their education. If they look 45 you ask them what they have achieved
> in life.

HR has a schedule where they collect "points" for every employee. PhD
counts as X points. The scored number of points determines upper bound
of salary.

VLV


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