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From: DavidF on 30 Dec 2009 10:22
Hi Tom,

If you are trying to suggest that these Publisher built websites do not
produce standards compliant, error free code, then that is true. I did not
assert otherwise. Heck, even www.Google.com has 42 errors and two warnings
and http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx has 395 errors and 34
warnings. Nor was I addressing Ron's assertion that one should never use
Publisher to build a website and that would always lead to problems. I know
better than to take on that argument in this group <g>. I just provided the
sites so you could compare the source code against the OP site code to see
that it was not produced with Publisher 2000, 2002, 2003 or 2007, and to say
that in my experience not having a specific version of Publisher installed
on a local computer has nothing to do with the problems with that page/site
rendering in IE.

DavidF

"Tom Willett" <tom(a)youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message
news:eurEk3ViKHA.1540(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Run your home page through the markup validator:
> http://validator.w3.org/
> --
> Tom [Pepper] Willett
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage Since 1997
> ---------------------------
> "DavidF" <Nope(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OoIwdsViKHA.2132(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> :I have been lurking, reading and learning and you have suggested that not
> : having a particular version of Publisher installed was the problem
> before.
> I
> : am not sure how you came to that conclusion, but I don't believe that
> the
> : page not rendering has anything to do with having Publisher installed. I
> : have all versions since Pub 97 installed and the page will still not
> render
> : in IE7 either. The page is not a Publisher built website. Compare the
> code
> : of these Publisher built sites:
> :
> : Publisher 2000: http://www.professionalcounselling.co.uk/
> : Publisher 2002: http://www.timesaversforteachers.com/index.htm
> : Publisher 2003: http://devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
> : Publisher 2007: http://www.europe-hotels.gr/cyprus/index_paphos.htm -
> : English and http://www.europe-hotels.gr/gr/cyprus/index_paphos.htm -
> Greek
> :
> : DavidF
> :
> : "Ronx" <ronx917(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : news:OB6fRySiKHA.5596(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> : > The page will only display in IE if the user has Publisher 2003
> installed.
> : > I have Publisher 2007, so cannot see the page.
> : > Firefox, Opera, Safari etc ignore IE specific conditional comments, so
> are
> : > not affected.
> : >
> : > Do NOT use Publisher (or any other Office program other than
> FrontPage)
> to
> : > build websites - this ALWAYS leads to problems.
> : >
> : >
> : > In your page, look for <![if pub11]> and <![endif]> - delete these
> and
> : > see if it makes a difference.
> : > --
> : > Ron Symonds
> : > Microsoft MVP (Expression Web)
> : > http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
> : >
> : > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > "Steve" <steve(a)discussion.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> : > news:9BDD98C6-0C40-48BD-B406-A00B21F7EDFB(a)microsoft.com...
> : >> site is www.bridgeoflife.us I can see the site with firefox but
> can't
> : >> see
> : >> anything with IE8 everything was working fine until a few hours
> ago.
> : >> any
> : >> suggestions
> : >> --
> : >> steve
> : >
> :
> :
> :
>
>


From: DavidF on 30 Dec 2009 10:24
Maybe Word, but the code does not look like any Publisher code that I have
ever seen. Compare the code against the four Publisher built sites I
provided.

DavidF

"Steve Easton" <admin(a)95isalive.com> wrote in message
news:%233V76JWiKHA.1540(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> The page in your post was either made with Word or Publisher.
>
>
> --
>
> Steve Easton
>
>
>
> "DavidF" <Nope(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OoIwdsViKHA.2132(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I have been lurking, reading and learning and you have suggested that not
>> having a particular version of Publisher installed was the problem
>> before. I am not sure how you came to that conclusion, but I don't
>> believe that the page not rendering has anything to do with having
>> Publisher installed. I have all versions since Pub 97 installed and the
>> page will still not render in IE7 either. The page is not a Publisher
>> built website. Compare the code of these Publisher built sites:
>>
>> Publisher 2000: http://www.professionalcounselling.co.uk/
>> Publisher 2002: http://www.timesaversforteachers.com/index.htm
>> Publisher 2003: http://devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
>> Publisher 2007: http://www.europe-hotels.gr/cyprus/index_paphos.htm -
>> English and http://www.europe-hotels.gr/gr/cyprus/index_paphos.htm -
>> Greek
>>
>> DavidF
>>
>> "Ronx" <ronx917(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OB6fRySiKHA.5596(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> The page will only display in IE if the user has Publisher 2003
>>> installed.
>>> I have Publisher 2007, so cannot see the page.
>>> Firefox, Opera, Safari etc ignore IE specific conditional comments, so
>>> are
>>> not affected.
>>>
>>> Do NOT use Publisher (or any other Office program other than FrontPage)
>>> to
>>> build websites - this ALWAYS leads to problems.
>>>
>>>
>>> In your page, look for <![if pub11]> and <![endif]> - delete these
>>> and
>>> see if it makes a difference.
>>> --
>>> Ron Symonds
>>> Microsoft MVP (Expression Web)
>>> http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
>>>
>>> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Steve" <steve(a)discussion.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9BDD98C6-0C40-48BD-B406-A00B21F7EDFB(a)microsoft.com...
>>>> site is www.bridgeoflife.us I can see the site with firefox but
>>>> can't
>>>> see
>>>> anything with IE8 everything was working fine until a few hours ago.
>>>> any
>>>> suggestions
>>>> --
>>>> steve
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


From: Tom Willett on 30 Dec 2009 10:24
Yep. The mso styles are a dead giveaway ;-)
--
Tom [Pepper] Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage Since 1997
---------------------------
"Steve Easton" <admin(a)95isalive.com> wrote in message
news:%233V76JWiKHA.1540(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
: The page in your post was either made with Word or Publisher.
:
:
: --
:
: Steve Easton
:
:
:
: "DavidF" <Nope(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OoIwdsViKHA.2132(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: >I have been lurking, reading and learning and you have suggested that not
: > having a particular version of Publisher installed was the problem
before. I am not sure how you came to
: > that conclusion, but I don't believe that the page not rendering has
anything to do with having Publisher
: > installed. I have all versions since Pub 97 installed and the page will
still not render in IE7 either. The
: > page is not a Publisher built website. Compare the code of these
Publisher built sites:
: >
: > Publisher 2000: http://www.professionalcounselling.co.uk/
: > Publisher 2002: http://www.timesaversforteachers.com/index.htm
: > Publisher 2003: http://devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
: > Publisher 2007: http://www.europe-hotels.gr/cyprus/index_paphos.htm -
: > English and http://www.europe-hotels.gr/gr/cyprus/index_paphos.htm -
Greek
: >
: > DavidF
: >
: > "Ronx" <ronx917(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > news:OB6fRySiKHA.5596(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: >> The page will only display in IE if the user has Publisher 2003
installed.
: >> I have Publisher 2007, so cannot see the page.
: >> Firefox, Opera, Safari etc ignore IE specific conditional comments, so
are
: >> not affected.
: >>
: >> Do NOT use Publisher (or any other Office program other than FrontPage)
to
: >> build websites - this ALWAYS leads to problems.
: >>
: >>
: >> In your page, look for <![if pub11]> and <![endif]> - delete these
and
: >> see if it makes a difference.
: >> --
: >> Ron Symonds
: >> Microsoft MVP (Expression Web)
: >> http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
: >>
: >> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
: >>
: >>
: >>
: >> "Steve" <steve(a)discussion.microsoft.com> wrote in message
: >> news:9BDD98C6-0C40-48BD-B406-A00B21F7EDFB(a)microsoft.com...
: >>> site is www.bridgeoflife.us I can see the site with firefox but
can't
: >>> see
: >>> anything with IE8 everything was working fine until a few hours ago.
: >>> any
: >>> suggestions
: >>> --
: >>> steve
: >>
: >
: >
: >
:
:


From: Tom Willett on 30 Dec 2009 10:56
But, you can see Google content, can't you?

Well, if you want people to see the content on your web, you're going to
have to make some changes. If you don't care whether they see it, then
you're good to go.

Neither Publisher nor Word is intended for making a web site.

If you are using either of those applications to build all or part of your
web pages, you need to post in the appropriate newsgroup, as it's not a
FrontPage issue.
--
Tom [Pepper] Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage Since 1997
---------------------------
"DavidF" <Nope(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OhfK5QWiKHA.1236(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
: Hi Tom,
:
: If you are trying to suggest that these Publisher built websites do not
: produce standards compliant, error free code, then that is true. I did not
: assert otherwise. Heck, even www.Google.com has 42 errors and two warnings
: and http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx has 395 errors and 34
: warnings. Nor was I addressing Ron's assertion that one should never use
: Publisher to build a website and that would always lead to problems. I
know
: better than to take on that argument in this group <g>. I just provided
the
: sites so you could compare the source code against the OP site code to see
: that it was not produced with Publisher 2000, 2002, 2003 or 2007, and to
say
: that in my experience not having a specific version of Publisher installed
: on a local computer has nothing to do with the problems with that
page/site
: rendering in IE.
:
: DavidF
:
: "Tom Willett" <tom(a)youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message
: news:eurEk3ViKHA.1540(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
: > Run your home page through the markup validator:
: > http://validator.w3.org/
: > --
: > Tom [Pepper] Willett
: > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage Since 1997
: > ---------------------------
: > "DavidF" <Nope(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
: > news:OoIwdsViKHA.2132(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: > :I have been lurking, reading and learning and you have suggested that
not
: > : having a particular version of Publisher installed was the problem
: > before.
: > I
: > : am not sure how you came to that conclusion, but I don't believe that
: > the
: > : page not rendering has anything to do with having Publisher installed.
I
: > : have all versions since Pub 97 installed and the page will still not
: > render
: > : in IE7 either. The page is not a Publisher built website. Compare the
: > code
: > : of these Publisher built sites:
: > :
: > : Publisher 2000: http://www.professionalcounselling.co.uk/
: > : Publisher 2002: http://www.timesaversforteachers.com/index.htm
: > : Publisher 2003: http://devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
: > : Publisher 2007: http://www.europe-hotels.gr/cyprus/index_paphos.htm -
: > : English and http://www.europe-hotels.gr/gr/cyprus/index_paphos.htm -
: > Greek
: > :
: > : DavidF
: > :
: > : "Ronx" <ronx917(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > : news:OB6fRySiKHA.5596(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: > : > The page will only display in IE if the user has Publisher 2003
: > installed.
: > : > I have Publisher 2007, so cannot see the page.
: > : > Firefox, Opera, Safari etc ignore IE specific conditional comments,
so
: > are
: > : > not affected.
: > : >
: > : > Do NOT use Publisher (or any other Office program other than
: > FrontPage)
: > to
: > : > build websites - this ALWAYS leads to problems.
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > In your page, look for <![if pub11]> and <![endif]> - delete
these
: > and
: > : > see if it makes a difference.
: > : > --
: > : > Ron Symonds
: > : > Microsoft MVP (Expression Web)
: > : > http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
: > : >
: > : > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > "Steve" <steve(a)discussion.microsoft.com> wrote in message
: > : > news:9BDD98C6-0C40-48BD-B406-A00B21F7EDFB(a)microsoft.com...
: > : >> site is www.bridgeoflife.us I can see the site with firefox but
: > can't
: > : >> see
: > : >> anything with IE8 everything was working fine until a few hours
: > ago.
: > : >> any
: > : >> suggestions
: > : >> --
: > : >> steve
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:


From: DavidF on 30 Dec 2009 11:49
Tom,

I am confused. I am not the original poster. I was just trying to suggest
that the problem the OP was having had nothing to do with Publisher as was
suggested by Ron. I just posted the links to the 4 publisher built websites
to show Ron or anyone else that was interested why I didn't believe the OP
site code is Publisher generated code. I also wanted Ron to know that it
didn't matter whether you had a particular version of Publisher installed
locally or not...I have them all installed and the OP site does not render
for me either. I don't know what the OP used to build the page with, and I
don't have any idea why the page does not render in IE, but the point is
that I don't believe it has anything to do with Publisher. My intent was not
to discuss or debate the use of any other program to build a website.
Perhaps you meant for the OP to run www.bridgeoflife.us through the markup
validator: http://validator.w3.org/ , though your post was a response to my
message. Sorry if my response was OT. And sorry if the additional
information I provided just confused the issue.

DavidF

"Tom Willett" <tom(a)youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message
news:uJtBuiWiKHA.2164(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> But, you can see Google content, can't you?
>
> Well, if you want people to see the content on your web, you're going to
> have to make some changes. If you don't care whether they see it, then
> you're good to go.
>
> Neither Publisher nor Word is intended for making a web site.
>
> If you are using either of those applications to build all or part of your
> web pages, you need to post in the appropriate newsgroup, as it's not a
> FrontPage issue.
> --
> Tom [Pepper] Willett
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage Since 1997
> ---------------------------
> "DavidF" <Nope(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OhfK5QWiKHA.1236(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> : Hi Tom,
> :
> : If you are trying to suggest that these Publisher built websites do not
> : produce standards compliant, error free code, then that is true. I did
> not
> : assert otherwise. Heck, even www.Google.com has 42 errors and two
> warnings
> : and http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx has 395 errors and 34
> : warnings. Nor was I addressing Ron's assertion that one should never use
> : Publisher to build a website and that would always lead to problems. I
> know
> : better than to take on that argument in this group <g>. I just provided
> the
> : sites so you could compare the source code against the OP site code to
> see
> : that it was not produced with Publisher 2000, 2002, 2003 or 2007, and to
> say
> : that in my experience not having a specific version of Publisher
> installed
> : on a local computer has nothing to do with the problems with that
> page/site
> : rendering in IE.
> :
> : DavidF
> :
> : "Tom Willett" <tom(a)youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message
> : news:eurEk3ViKHA.1540(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> : > Run your home page through the markup validator:
> : > http://validator.w3.org/
> : > --
> : > Tom [Pepper] Willett
> : > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage Since 1997
> : > ---------------------------
> : > "DavidF" <Nope(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> : > news:OoIwdsViKHA.2132(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> : > :I have been lurking, reading and learning and you have suggested that
> not
> : > : having a particular version of Publisher installed was the problem
> : > before.
> : > I
> : > : am not sure how you came to that conclusion, but I don't believe
> that
> : > the
> : > : page not rendering has anything to do with having Publisher
> installed.
> I
> : > : have all versions since Pub 97 installed and the page will still not
> : > render
> : > : in IE7 either. The page is not a Publisher built website. Compare
> the
> : > code
> : > : of these Publisher built sites:
> : > :
> : > : Publisher 2000: http://www.professionalcounselling.co.uk/
> : > : Publisher 2002: http://www.timesaversforteachers.com/index.htm
> : > : Publisher 2003: http://devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
> : > : Publisher 2007:
> http://www.europe-hotels.gr/cyprus/index_paphos.htm -
> : > : English and http://www.europe-hotels.gr/gr/cyprus/index_paphos.htm -
> : > Greek
> : > :
> : > : DavidF
> : > :
> : > : "Ronx" <ronx917(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : news:OB6fRySiKHA.5596(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> : > : > The page will only display in IE if the user has Publisher 2003
> : > installed.
> : > : > I have Publisher 2007, so cannot see the page.
> : > : > Firefox, Opera, Safari etc ignore IE specific conditional
> comments,
> so
> : > are
> : > : > not affected.
> : > : >
> : > : > Do NOT use Publisher (or any other Office program other than
> : > FrontPage)
> : > to
> : > : > build websites - this ALWAYS leads to problems.
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : > In your page, look for <![if pub11]> and <![endif]> - delete
> these
> : > and
> : > : > see if it makes a difference.
> : > : > --
> : > : > Ron Symonds
> : > : > Microsoft MVP (Expression Web)
> : > : > http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
> : > : >
> : > : > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : > "Steve" <steve(a)discussion.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:9BDD98C6-0C40-48BD-B406-A00B21F7EDFB(a)microsoft.com...
> : > : >> site is www.bridgeoflife.us I can see the site with firefox
> but
> : > can't
> : > : >> see
> : > : >> anything with IE8 everything was working fine until a few hours
> : > ago.
> : > : >> any
> : > : >> suggestions
> : > : >> --
> : > : >> steve
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>


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