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From: oriel36 on 12 Jun 2010 04:58
On Jun 12, 9:26 am, "hanson" <han...(a)quick.net> wrote:
> The Navajo Brave "Desertphile" <desertph...(a)invalid-address.net>
> feels Defiled because he wrote:
> "Nightcrawler", Space Ship Darla's commodore (?) wrote:
>
> Addressing the commodore, the Brave wrote:
> idiot.
>
> Darla's commodore wrote:
>
> Okay, I am now an idiot...?
>
> the Brave wrote:
>
> We [Navajos] know why the current temperature increase has
> occurred, and it has nothing at all to do with past warming events.
>
> hanson wrote:
>
> Well, if that is the case, you Braves knowing that for certain, as
> you seem to claim, then don't just post it here. Go public with it,
> big time & CONVINCINGLY, and do it without calling the
> commodore "idiot"... & you may get your tribe off the reservation
> into the mainstream... just like Obama  did for his folks.  Don't get
> just get globally warmed under your own collar.   Instead, Brave,
> enlist the commodore for your cause as if he were the character of
> -- "Jeremiah Johnson who made his way into the Mountains"... --
> Guys, thanks for the laughs, .... hahaha... ahahahanson

Well,if it isn't Hanson,I remember you when you used to sit at the
feet of 'Old Man' and Franz Heymann and what the hell is it with this
'aha' business -

http://groups.google.ie/group/sci.physics/msg/1d37268ebb277d6a?hl=en

All that chatter about a 'universal rest frame' and none of you can
spot the horror of it all,not even Isaac did as he built orbital
dynamics around Flamsteed's equatorial coordinate system,you can even
see it if you like -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYy0EQBnqHI

The geocentric astronomers and even St Augustine expressed enormous
reservations about that observation while today they celebrate this
observation in the 'no center/no circumference' ideology of 'big bang'
-

"Some of the brethren raise a question concerning the motion of
heaven, whether it is fixed or moved. If it is moved, they say, how is
it a firmament? If it stands still, how do these stars which are held
fixed in it go round from east to west, the more northerly performing
shorter circuits near the pole, so that the heaven (if there is
another pole unknown to us) may seem to revolve upon some axis, or (if
there is no other pole) may be thought to move as a discus? To these
men I reply that it would require many subtle and profound reasonings
to find out which of these things is actually so;" St Augustine

Thereupon you will see-- through the intellect..that the world and its
motion and shape cannot be apprehended. For [the world] will appear as
a wheel in a wheel and
a sphere in a sphere-- having its center and circumference
nowhere. . . " Archbishop Cusa 16th century

'Old man' talked in that thread of 'big bang' being the greatest story
ever told and he may have been right for all the wrong reasons for
that 'no center/no circumference' ideology represents a complete lack
of interpretation and if your 'aha' laugh is one of insanity to which
your participation in the newsgroups have brought you,then you have
plenty of company.

What you have is a comic strip endeavor taking the name of science
and it is a shocking injustice.






From: bert on 12 Jun 2010 10:54
On Jun 11, 1:46 pm, "Painius" <starswirlern...(a)maol.com> wrote:
> "Desertphile" <desertph...(a)invalid-address.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ots416l3bs7gkvmjqu7bhi7ubdmrqrriib(a)4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:08:02 -0400, "Painius"
> > <starswirlern...(a)maol.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Desertphile" <desertph...(a)invalid-address.net> wrote...
> >> in messagenews:ovq4169pq2q6irbe4jvr53nd3hsl40h6rr(a)4ax.com...
> >> > On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Double-A
> >> > <double...(a)hush.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Certainly sea levels have risen a lot during the history of mankind..
> >> >> Obviously seas were a lot lower when the American Indians crossed the
> >> >> Bering land bridge from Asia into North America.  But during most of
> >> >> that time of rising seas, what it humans have to do with it?  Did over
> >> >> hunting the woolly mammoth have something to do with it?  I rather
> >> >> doubt it.  But natural cycles run their courses.
>
> >> > Idiot.
>
> >> Since what DA wrote is precisely true
>
> > No.
>
> Well, since you're not being specific, we can assume that
> it's all untrue?  So, there was never a land bridge across
> the Bering strait that is now covered due to rising seas?
> and the ancestors of Native Americans never crossed that
> land bridge from Asia into N. America?  And humans had
> something to do with rising seas, to include the hunting of
> wooly mammoths?  And natural cycles don't run their
> courses?
>
> happy days and...
>    starry starry nights!
>
> --
> Indelibly yours,
> Paine Ellsworth
>
> P.S. "In my experience, there is only one motivation,
>          and that is desire. No reasons or principle
>          contain it or stand against it."
>                                       > Jane Smiley
>                       Pulitzer Prize-winning American novelist
>
> P.P.S.:  http://www.painellsworth.net
>                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth- Hide quoted text -
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Best to ask the people in Holland about high tides. They in reality
deal with it TreBert
From: bert on 12 Jun 2010 11:04
On Jun 11, 6:58 pm, "Painius" <starswirlern...(a)maol.com> wrote:
> "Desertphile" <desertph...(a)invalid-address.net> wrote in message
>
> news:k11516lcf8dbluaciqprtoi6mcsljuhjb0(a)4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:34:55 -0400, "Painius"
> > <starswirlern...(a)maol.com> wrote:
> >> "Desertphile" <desertph...(a)invalid-address.net> wrote in message
> >>news:tnv416lhpqdd4qdt34m18u2bjgduo2rr01(a)4ax.com...
> >> > On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:46:13 -0400, "Painius"
> >> > <starswirlern...(a)maol.com> wrote:
> >> >> "Desertphile" <desertph...(a)invalid-address.net> wrote in message
> >> >>news:ots416l3bs7gkvmjqu7bhi7ubdmrqrriib(a)4ax.com...
> >> >> > On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:08:02 -0400, "Painius"
> >> >> > <starswirlern...(a)maol.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> "Desertphile" <desertph...(a)invalid-address.net> wrote...
> >> >> >> in messagenews:ovq4169pq2q6irbe4jvr53nd3hsl40h6rr(a)4ax.com...
> >> >> >> > On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Double-A
> >> >> >> > <double...(a)hush.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> Certainly sea levels have risen a lot during the history of
> >> >> >> >> mankind.
> >> >> >> >> Obviously seas were a lot lower when the American Indians
> >> >> >> >> crossed
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> Bering land bridge from Asia into North America.  But during
> >> >> >> >> most
> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> that time of rising seas, what it humans have to do with it?
> >> >> >> >> Did
> >> >> >> >> over
> >> >> >> >> hunting the woolly mammoth have something to do with it?  I
> >> >> >> >> rather
> >> >> >> >> doubt it.  But natural cycles run their courses.
>
> >> >> >> > Idiot.
>
> >> >> >> Since what DA wrote is precisely true
>
> >> >> > No.
>
> >> >> Well, since you're not being specific, we can assume that
> >> >> it's all untrue?  So, there was never a land bridge across
> >> >> the Bering strait that is now covered due to rising seas?
> >> >> and the ancestors of Native Americans never crossed that
> >> >> land bridge from Asia into N. America?  And humans had
> >> >> something to do with rising seas, to include the hunting of
> >> >> wooly mammoths?  And natural cycles don't run their
> >> >> courses?
>
> >> > You asked the question "But during most of that time of rising
> >> > seas, what it humans have to do with it?" That means you are an
> >> > idiot.
>
> >> Okay, so you say that it's all true *except* the part
> >> about humans having something to do with the rising
> >> seas.
>
> > Idiot.
>
> >> Keep in mind that the initial post where the
> >> professor was saying truthfully that the study and the
> >> reporting of human's causing global warming can be
> >> considered as "unscientific".
>
> > Yes; he's an idiot.
>
> >> You, however, seem to
> >> think that it's all true.  You appear to believe that
> >> humans have had something to do with rising seas
> >> and global warming during most of that time that seas
> >> have been rising.
>
> > Idiot.
>
> >> Can you cite evidence for this belief?
>
> If you cannot cite evidence, does that make you an
> imbecile?
>
> You mentioned to Benj that...
>
>   "There is no known mechanism by which humans
>   could have caused the ice land bridge crossing the
>   Bering Straight to melt."
>
> How is this different than what the professor and DA
> wrote?  I think you need to develop your reading
> comprehension and people skills.  Without them,
> you're just another slug who will be consistently
> killfiled or ignored.  Myself?  I shall just ignore you
> for a while.  Ta.
>
> Oh here, let me help you with your obvious response...
>
> >>> Idiot.
>
> Jerk.
>
> happy days and...
>    starry starry nights!
>
> --
> Indelibly yours,
> Paine Ellsworth
>
> P.S.:  "Personally I'm always ready to learn,
>            although I do not always like being taught."
>                                          > Winston Churchill
>
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> - Show quoted text -

This Florida weekend will break all heat records,but GOPers will tell
you there is no "global warming" Manatee shiped back from
Massachusetts to show us our oceans are getting warmer. GOPers that
make big bucks from oil and coal burning will tell you there is no
Earth warming and its a conspiracy by "liberals " Oh ya TreBert
From: spudnik on 12 Jun 2010 16:47
the transcripts of the NSF meeting were supplied by (I kid ye, not)
the Tree War Assembly; see the Iran-contra chapter of the book
-- the only book that defeated HDubya!... anyway,
I'm sure you could verify form the literature,
when the paradigm of "global cooling" disappeared,
whether or not it was theoretically sound.

http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/

thus&so:
see S. Fred Singer's retrospective metastudy of glaciers;
think ye, all are in retreat -- do I now or have I ever worked
for an oil company, or will I, iff the price is good?... well,
my favorite model of Earth as a conceptual system,
was authored by a mechanical engineer, that worked at one
.... not taht his model was perfect; just the best, so far.

thus&so:
the primary effect of increased CO2 is not on the temperature;
it is on the evaporation of water, whence transported and
largely released to space at the poles as heat of fusion,
internediated by Hadley cells etc. ... and, of course,
H2Ois the #1 glass house gas, and clouds are really hard
to model, and no-one has modeled a typical glass house
*at a particular latitude*, after Ahrrenius won the first Nobel
(in chemistry?) for some thing, else.

thus&so:
why do *you* believe,
that oilcos are against cap&trade?

thus&so:
I looked on the blog with the older article, and
the earliest replies (February) were from Ferenc,
where he posts mail from his "Boss at NASA," apparently saying
that he wanted him to withdraw it from the obscure Hungarian journal,
and submit it to two, well-known journals. he also stated that
he was fired.

thus&so:
outside of Quaternary Period studies,
there is a loose langauge about "the Pleistocene," and
even a calibration due only to the Local *stadia*
of just one (the previous) glacial phase (Wisconsin e.g.;
it's different in the former SU/Europe).

> It takes about 3 decades to establish a global climate trend.
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.3
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg

thus&so:
there is also "transportative heat flow," viz, rain on the roof.
photons are bogus rocks o'massless light; wouldn't it
be more correct, to say that a vibrational mode is excited,
when a wave of light matches its (sub- or super-) frequency,
electromagnetically, via electronic orbitals?

thus&so:
I read a review of a recent book by Buzz Aldrin,
stating that he and the crew of Apollo#x and a bunch of dignitaries
from the SU and Japan & so forth, were feted by a picnic at the North
Pole;
so, how did they get, there?
> http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=09&fd=22&fy=1980...

thus&so:
well, would the EPA be promulgating the "enabling code"
for BP's cap&trade free-maket spazzm?
y'know, poor Rep. Waxman really believes in this ****, because
it worked so well in '91 on acid rain, supposedly; maybe,
he's just been at it too long & lobbied by too many oilcos and
drugcos (his committee also ran the Healthcare bill,
which is only one segment of the Stupid, economy .-)
so, why can't we just have a tiny carbon tax, instead --
is it really "pollitically impossible," as the WSUrinal and
the emmissions-trading-scheme people, say?
if Dubya had known that Kyoto was just a cap&trade nostrum
of free trade, free beer, freedom in teh free market,
would he have signed it?

thus&so:
is this the same as the quasi-defunct dataset of the 28 coterminous
stations
of the U.S. Reference Climate Network, which showed a one-degree
cooling,
when I first heard of it ... a long time, ago?

thus&so:
Russels's paradoxi are all equivalent, "I am the only Solopsist,
existentially; therefore, there is only (one) Universe at the
momentbeing."

thus&so:
see the retrospective metastudy on glaciers by S. Fred Singer (and,
it is certainly fun to ask, Did he work for an oil company?, and
not bother with his awesome vitae, cuz he sold his soul to rock-
oil .-)

thus&so:
that's entirely "sylli," where all known properties of
electromagnetism,
which are wavey, dysappear into a loose hydrodynamic metaphor,
replacing "energy" with "aether" -- a quaint mental spazzm. funny, as
all of this could be exposed, merely by taking some aspect
of a real two-hole experiment, like the actual details
of the uncited fullerene set-up, into account.
waves can ne'er be particles, whether a mathematical duality can
be applied in a formularium of light a la momentum; for instance,
How is a water-wave to be known as a particle ... um, a hydron?...
well,
clearly, a soliton might seem like that; and,
there was a tsunami quite recently, that appeared
only to hit Half Moon Bay, CA, USA. when Moonlight hits your rod,
like a big piece o'sod, that's the corpuscular theory of light!
look at his sad nonsequiters; yours are only misnomers & oxymora
("global" warming, when insolation is totally differential
from pole to equator e.g.). and, so, What'd you "understood of the
following?"
> A=Mc^2, where A is aether and M is matter,
> the following is easily understood: "If a body gives off the energy L
> in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."

--Stop BP's and Waxman's arbitrageurs' wetdream "Captain Tax as
according to the God-am WSUrinal" -- and they LOVE his '91 bill!
http://wlym.com
From: hanson on 12 Jun 2010 19:48
----... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha... ---
The Brave would say, "Yo, Fat Gerald Kelleher aka "oriel36"
<kelleher.gerald(a)gmail.com>: "Long time no talk", but instead
Fat Gerald wrote:
[snip subject related conversations to hear the barks of Oriel36]
>
Fat Gerald wrote:
Well, if it isn't Hanson, and what the hell is it with this 'aha' business -
>
hanson wrote:
.... ahahahahaha.. it's the heavenly endorphins of which you sadly
have none, which is why you live in your angry private hell... ahaha.
>
Fat Gerald wrote:
I remember you when you used to sit at the [great scientists'] feet
of 'Old Man' [DoD, Livermore] and Franz Heymann [CERN]
http://groups.google.ie/group/sci.physics/msg/1d37268ebb277d6a?hl=en
All that chatter about a 'universal rest frame' and none of you can
spot the horror of it all, not even Isaac did as he built orbital
dynamics around Flamsteed's equatorial coordinate system,
you can even see it if you like -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYy0EQBnqHI
The geocentric astronomers and even St Augustine expressed enormous
reservations about that observation while today they celebrate this
observation in the 'no center/no circumference' ideology of 'big bang'
"Some of the brethren raise a question concerning the motion of
heaven, whether it is fixed or moved. If it is moved, they say, how is
it a firmament? If it stands still, how do these stars which are held
fixed in it go round from east to west, the more northerly performing
shorter circuits near the pole, so that the heaven (if there is
another pole unknown to us) may seem to revolve upon some axis, or (if
there is no other pole) may be thought to move as a discus? To these
men I reply that it would require many subtle and profound reasonings
to find out which of these things is actually so;" St Augustine
Thereupon you will see-- through the intellect..that the world and its
motion and shape cannot be apprehended. For [the world] will appear as
a wheel in a wheel and
a sphere in a sphere-- having its center and circumference
nowhere. . . " Archbishop Cusa 16th century
>
'Old man' talked in that thread of 'big bang' being the greatest story
ever told and he may have been right for all the wrong reasons for
that 'no center/no circumference' ideology represents a complete lack
of interpretation and if your 'aha' laugh is one of insanity to which
your participation in the newsgroups have brought you,then you have
plenty of company.

What you have is a comic strip endeavor taking the name of science
and it is a shocking injustice.
>
hanson wrote:
AHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha.. AHAHAHAHA... Fat Gerald listen,
1) what is the short sense of your long story which has nothing to
do with AGW?... unless it means "Aggravated Gerald Whines"
2) Gerald, did you ever sell your "Missing 1 second" after you
claimed, vociferously, that you found it. Did anybody care?
>
Never mind, your tripe was really funny. I am sorry that those
most interesting conversations between Profs. Heymann,
Old Man Jako Epke and hanson were beyond your horizon....
So, thanks for the laughs, fat Gerald... Talk to you later.
Take care! ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA... ahahahahanson






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