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From: Virgil on 5 Sep 2009 02:08 In article <X5nom.9413$La7.4362(a)uutiset.elisa.fi>, "Antti J. Ylikoski" <antti.ylikoski(a)gmail.com> wrote: > David Bernier kirjoitti: > > Antti J. Ylikoski wrote: > >> -7/9 n n + 1.76666666 + 2/ kirjoitti: > > [...] > > > >> Explanation please? > >> > >> Antti Ylikoski > >> > >> "It is not the question, who is correct and who is not correct. It is > >> the question, who is the master." -- Slightly modified from Winnie > >> the Pooh. Sounds more like from Carroll's Alice: �When I use a word,� Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, �it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.� �The question is,� said Alice, �whether you can make words mean so many different things.� �The question is,� said Humpty Dumpty, �which is to be master � that�s all.� > > > > Still, I think sometimes it's a good idea to check that > > the question merits being asked, before actually > > asking it. > > > > David Bernier > > That entry was remarkably,extremely obscure. So why would it not merit > to ask for a clarification? Silly. > > Antti Ylikoski > Mensa Finland > > Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: Richard Heathfield on 5 Sep 2009 02:47 In <Virgil-0DC605.00084905092009(a)bignews.usenetmonster.com>, Virgil wrote: [unused attribs snipped] >> > Antti J. Ylikoski wrote: >> >> >> >> "It is not the question, who is correct and who is not correct. >> >> It is the question, who is the master." -- Slightly modified >> >> from Winnie the Pooh. > > Sounds more like from Carroll's Alice: > "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, > "it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less." > "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so > many different things." > "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master � > that�s all." "When I use a quotation", said R2-D2, in a rather beepy tone, "it is from the source or sources I choose it to be from." "The question is", said C-3PO, "whether you can have so many people originate the same quotation." "The question is", said R2-D2, "who is telling this story, that's all." <snip> -- Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk> Email: -http://www. +rjh@ "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line vacant - apply within
From: David Bernier on 11 Sep 2009 02:11 Antti J. Ylikoski wrote: > David Bernier kirjoitti: >> Antti J. Ylikoski wrote: >>> -7/9 n n + 1.76666666 + 2/ kirjoitti: >> [...] >> >>> Explanation please? >>> >>> Antti Ylikoski >>> >>> "It is not the question, who is correct and who is not correct. It >>> is the question, who is the master." -- Slightly modified from >>> Winnie the Pooh. >> >> Still, I think sometimes it's a good idea to check that >> the question merits being asked, before actually >> asking it. >> >> David Bernier > > That entry was remarkably,extremely obscure. So why would it not merit > to ask for a clarification? Silly. [...] Musatov's message < 5e2bec15-1169-4713-bb4e-b762321f7e57(a)l35g2000pra.googlegroups.com > was remarkably obscure, yes. I was referring to your modified quotation: "It is not the question, who is correct and who is not correct. It is the question, who is the master." -- Slightly modified from Winnie the Pooh. If it's based on Lewis Carroll, then I think "The question is, who is the master?" is more faithful to the original. I took the second sentence as saying: "It is the question who is the master." Suppose the question is: "Does the past exist?" I think philosophers ask questions like that. So, some time ago, I began wondering about the nature of questions, or trying to define or make clear what a question is ... I didn't get far. But in the case of a question such as: "Does the past exist?" I thought that it was worth examining the question, to check that it merits being asked, before actually asking it. For example, what would a definitive yes/no answer to "Does the past exist?" change about our understanding of the world? It seems to me that "Does the past exist?" is a rather fuzzy question ... It existed (presumably) but isn't in the present. So examining the question gives the improved question: "Did the past exist?" But what past? Suppose: the times of Isaac Newton. So I conclude with: What is a proper question? David Bernier
From: P = N - P + P = 02eNtroPy on 14 Sep 2009 18:42 On Sep 10, 11:11 pm, David Bernier <david...(a)videotron.ca> wrote: > Antti J. Ylikoski wrote: > > David Bernier kirjoitti: > >> Antti J. Ylikoski wrote: > >>> -7/9 n n + 1.76666666 + 2/ kirjoitti: > >> [...] > > >>> Explanation please? > > >>> Antti Ylikoski > > >>> "It is not the question, who is correct and who is not correct. It > >>> is the question, who is the master." -- Slightly modified from > >>> Winnie the Pooh. > > >> Still, I think sometimes it's a good idea to check that > >> the question merits being asked, before actually > >> asking it. > > >> David Bernier > > > That entry was remarkably,extremely obscure. So why would it not merit > > to ask for a clarification? Silly. > > [...] > > Musatov's message > < 5e2bec15-1169-4713-bb4e-b762321f7...(a)l35g2000pra.googlegroups.com > > was remarkably obscure, yes. > > I was referring to your modified quotation: > > "It is not the question, who is correct and who is not correct. It > is the question, who is the master." -- Slightly modified from > Winnie the Pooh. > > If it's based on Lewis Carroll, then I think > "The question is, who is the master?" is more > faithful to the original. > > I took the second sentence as saying: > "It is the question who is the master." > > Suppose the question is: > "Does the past exist?" > > I think philosophers ask questions like that. > > So, some time ago, I began wondering about the nature > of questions, or trying to define or make clear > what a question is ... > > I didn't get far. But in the case of > a question such as: > "Does the past exist?" > > I thought that it was worth examining the question, > to check that it merits being asked, before > actually asking it. > > For example, what would a definitive yes/no answer to > "Does the past exist?" change about our understanding of > the world? > > It seems to me that "Does the past exist?" is > a rather fuzzy question ... It existed (presumably) > but isn't in the present. > > So examining the question gives the improved question: > > "Did the past exist?" > > But what past? Suppose: the times of Isaac Newton. > > So I conclude with: > What is a proper question? > > David Bernier sai babahttp://groups.google.com/groups/captcha_media?ctoken=AKpqqz4EvIZm82pRM_zxk9Za49kvXclsvJYFxdKHysPhySq_zfNbIuBnQ_gg8gFKjqahjFKNWLjwYO63Q88ERa_gxIvBLVQYSiPEQjLYh28lvFfBCV_kUUc6hCpFL7xNki9AIRsunc3xHFqtOWXNXHnMg-63urqAx-b1dQL9MixPpDz18VWCBSxWoRDU2yLeda70ezY94I1WhMaHTuA3ZtB3QaTvLk6Qqg
From: M. Michael Musatov. on 14 Sep 2009 20:09
On Sep 4, 7:42 pm, "Antti J. Ylikoski" <antti.yliko...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > -7/9 n n + 1.76666666 + 2/ kirjoitti: > > > > > %PDF-1.4 > > %âãÏÓ > > 687 0 obj <</Linearized 1/L 3417729/O 689/E 65462/N 40/T 3403946/H > > [ 736 1028]>> > > endobj > > > xref > > 687 22 > > 0000000016 00000 n > > 0000001764 00000 n > > 0000001865 00000 n > > 0000002300 00000 n > > 0000002336 00000 n > > 0000002449 00000 n > > 0000003048 00000 n > > 0000003235 00000 n > > 0000003546 00000 n > > 0000003997 00000 n > > 0000006645 00000 n > > 0000008693 00000 n > > 0000015698 00000 n > > 0000056938 00000 n > > 0000058831 00000 n > > 0000059111 00000 n > > 0000059406 00000 n > > 0000059750 00000 n > > 0000061757 00000 n > > 0000062038 00000 n > > 0000062406 00000 n > > 0000000736 00000 n > > trailer > > <</Size 709/Prev 3403936/Root 688 0 R/Info 686 0 R/ID > > [<4A953101AC4D11DD830C0017F205F68A><9C0E311EAC4D11DD830C0017F205F68A>] > > startxref > > 0 > > %%EOF > > > 708 0 obj<</Length 945/Filter/FlateDecode/I 1346/S 1181>>stream > > ©2009 Martin Musatov ©2009http://MeAmI.orgAll Rights Reserved for > > all information contained in all streams enforceable to the full > > extent of t=applicable law. > > Explanation please? Dera Antti Ylikoski, What does the text that I posted above this mean an how do I use it? Thank you, Martin Musatov > > Antti Ylikoski > > "It is not the question, who is correct and who is not correct. It is > the question, who is the master." -- Slightly modified from Winnie the > Pooh. > > Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton |