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From: Sven Hilmer on 26 Mar 2010 03:43 John D Groenveld wrote: > My dbora init.d(4) script invokes dbstart like this: > su - $ORA_OWNER -c "ksh $ORA_HOME/bin/dbstart" I've choosen your solution as it avoids modifying Oracle code. Thank you John for your help. kind regards Sven
From: John D Groenveld on 16 Apr 2010 00:50
In article <hk42j0$nek$1(a)news.albasani.net>, Sven Hilmer <shilmer(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >After installing Oracle database 11.2 on Solaris 10 x86 >the dbstart script doesn't work because of the interpreter >is set to /bin/sh but the script uses syntax of ksh/bash . Old bug. My dbora init.d(4) script invokes dbstart like this: su - $ORA_OWNER -c "ksh $ORA_HOME/bin/dbstart" You can do similar in smf(5) machinery. John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: (Follow-up) **** Need printing help in Solaris 10 zones References: <42502782-fc6e-49ec-a1b2-9d88228dc9f3(a)f17g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <f9597837-cafe-4680-90f5-8c6505565726(a)a5g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <hk0621$p86i$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <522fd10d-3951-473b-b355-a723043c0672(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Distribution: inet Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <522fd10d-3951-473b-b355-a723043c0672(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, underh20 <underh20.scubadiving(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Yes, I can reach atlantis via port # 515. Any idea how we can trouble- >shoot further on What's the make and model of your printer? John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: (Follow-up) **** Need printing help in Solaris 10 zones References: <42502782-fc6e-49ec-a1b2-9d88228dc9f3(a)f17g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <522fd10d-3951-473b-b355-a723043c0672(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <hk7vbh$ek48$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <aae464a1-943c-4be0-a6d2-a676647c4813(a)h9g2000prn.googlegroups.com> Distribution: inet Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <aae464a1-943c-4be0-a6d2-a676647c4813(a)h9g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, underh20 <underh20.scubadiving(a)gmail.com> wrote: >It's a HP LaserJet 8150DN printer. On atlantis global zone: # lpadmin -p hp8150dn -v /dev/null -m netstandard_foomatic \ -n /usr/lib/lp/model/ppd/system/foomatic/HP/HP-LaserJet_8150-hpijs.ppd.gz \ -o dest=HP8150DN_IP_ADDRESS:9100 -o Duplex=DuplexNoTumble \ -o banner=never -T PS -I postscript # /bin/enable hp8150dn # /usr/sbin/accept hp8150dn # lp -d hp8150dn /usr/share/ghostscript/8.64/examples/alphabet.ps If that works, then in zoneA: # lpadmin -p printer1 -s atlantis!hp8150dn # lp -d hp8150dn /usr/share/ghostscript/8.64/examples/alphabet.ps John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Intel Quad ports LAN card for solaris 10 x86 References: <hk8vsf$1na8$1(a)net44p.hkbu.edu.hk> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <hk8vsf$1na8$1(a)net44p.hkbu.edu.hk>, Mr. Chow Wing Siu <Johnson.Chow(a)Comp.HKBU.Edu.HK> wrote: >I would like to purchase an Intel Quad ports LAN card for >solaris 10 x86. I would be surprised if e1000g(7D) or igb(7D) didn't work with Intel's quad-port Gb adapters. <URL:http://www.intel.com/network/connectivity/products/server_adapters.htm> John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Intel Quad ports LAN card for solaris 10 x86 References: <hk8vsf$1na8$1(a)net44p.hkbu.edu.hk> <hka6a6$p870$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <hkalvi$1f6a$1(a)net44p.hkbu.edu.hk> Distribution: inet Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <hkalvi$1f6a$1(a)net44p.hkbu.edu.hk>, Mr. Chow Wing Siu <Johnson.Chow(a)Comp.HKBU.Edu.HK> wrote: >Then which brandname and model is available or used? <URL:http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/components/details/2796.html> The quad-port part, EXPI9404PTL, should also work with e1000g(7D). John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: (Follow-up) **** Need printing help in Solaris 10 zones References: <42502782-fc6e-49ec-a1b2-9d88228dc9f3(a)f17g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <aae464a1-943c-4be0-a6d2-a676647c4813(a)h9g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <hka12t$ms58$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <2fc64dca-4de2-47b1-9db6-f093c67cc7cb(a)t17g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Distribution: inet Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <2fc64dca-4de2-47b1-9db6-f093c67cc7cb(a)t17g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, underh20 <underh20.scubadiving(a)gmail.com> wrote: >However, our mgnt just informed us the need to switch to another model >printer with new name. What's the new make and model? >How does one remove this printer completely in global and local >zone ? We'll re-create it RTFM lpadmin(1M) Removing a Printer Destination The -x dest option removes the destination dest (a printer or a class), from the LP print service. If dest is a printer and is the only member of a class, then the class is deleted, too. If dest is all, all printers and classes are removed. If there are no remaining local printers and the scheduler is still running, the scheduler is shut down. John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: zfs snapshort says "dataset is busy". Any better solution than remounting file system ? References: <9b0a2dad-e751-4197-b027-d2376dbd070b(a)p24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> <04af46eb-07df-4cdd-91ed-9fe258779e80(a)h9g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <cbca9ef0-b7c3-4b79-9e32-358accd665e6(a)v37g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <31b66be4-9672-421f-8a0e-3913cf03665c(a)h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <31b66be4-9672-421f-8a0e-3913cf03665c(a)h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, David Kirkby <drkirkby(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Feb 4, 5:55�pm, cindy <cindy.swearin...(a)sun.com> wrote: >> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6462803 > >Thank you for that Cindy. I can't seem to find any patch for Solaris >10 update 7. I would have thought this significant enough to backport. The fix for BugID 6462803 is in PatchID 14144[4-5]. Patch IR CR RSB Age Synopsis ------ -- - -- --- --- ------------------------------------------------------- 141445 09 = 09 RS- 114 SunOS 5.10_x86: kernel patch John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,comp.sys.sun.hardware Subject: Re: Sun v40z + 64bit Windows References: <b2ec4a43-0bfa-4bc8-8693-0cddb81355e9(a)a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) [follow-up's set to comp.sys.sun.hardware] In article <b2ec4a43-0bfa-4bc8-8693-0cddb81355e9(a)a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Jack Dao <dao(a)snakebrook.com> wrote: >It doesn't seem to be supported form Sun, but will any 64bit versions >of Windows run on this machine? >Like Windows 2003 64bit, or WIndows 2008 64bit? I asked the Google Oracle for the Microsoft HCL and I found your answer here: <URL:http://www.windowsservercatalog.com/marketplace/item.aspx?idItem=4f12b0f3-7a9b-cfd1-273e-5974ec77dce7> I would make certain you're running the latest BIOS and SP firmware: <URL:http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v20z/downloads.jsp> Good luck, John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Solaris 9 x86 - physical to virtual - VMWare References: <d32db7be-5c3c-4d39-a740-18b9f7b873db(a)f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <d32db7be-5c3c-4d39-a740-18b9f7b873db(a)f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, Qaxi <klimap(a)gmail.com> wrote: >is there any tool or method to convert physical Solaris 9 on x86 to >virtual machine on VMWare? Assuming Solaris 9 supports VMWare, you could boot the Solaris 9 ISO, restore UFS dumps of your production system to the VMWare virtual disk image and then update the device paths per the FAQ. <URL:http://faq.solaris-x86.org/6.html> Happy hacking, John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Patch availability change References: <kn7b47-3ac.ln1(a)mail.specsol.com> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <kn7b47-3ac.ln1(a)mail.specsol.com>, <jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote: >Has anyone else noticed that a lot of patches that used to be public are >now contract only? I have not noticed, but which patch IDs are you having trouble fetching? John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Patch availability change References: <kn7b47-3ac.ln1(a)mail.specsol.com> <hkutj7$eo2i$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <7tgc7lFa2nU1(a)mid.individual.net> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <7tgc7lFa2nU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: >The recommended patch clusters for Solaris 10 x86 were not publicly >accessible when I looked a week or so back. My Sun Online Account is bound to contracts so I can't test, but the last time someone here complained they were able to get those patches if not the tarball with Martin Paul's PCA. <URL:http://www.par.univie.ac.at/solaris/pca/> John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Patch availability change References: <kn7b47-3ac.ln1(a)mail.specsol.com> <hkuuie$u69$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> <9ncb47-vvc.ln1(a)mail.specsol.com> <7tghorF9i1U1(a)mid.individual.net> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <7tghorF9i1U1(a)mid.individual.net>, Ian Collins <ian-news(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> IMHO if there was a simple OS support plan that allowed for filing bug >> reports electronically, patch download, no handholding, and was on the >> order of $100/yr, I would think they would sell a LOT of them. > >That's what they used to have, the basic plan was $120 a year. I agree >with your comment, I had a plan then, I don't now. I suspect most of that market got onto Solaris Express and Indiana trains. John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Patch availability change References: <kn7b47-3ac.ln1(a)mail.specsol.com> <7tgc7lFa2nU1(a)mid.individual.net> <hkuvei$n070$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <7tggjaF4miU1(a)mid.individual.net> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <7tggjaF4miU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: >Using pca+patchdiag.xref I was only able to get earlier versions of >patches marked as recommended and/or security. Typically I could only >get version n-1, when version n was current according to >pca+patchdiag.xref. PatchIDs? John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Patch availability change References: <kn7b47-3ac.ln1(a)mail.specsol.com> <7tggjaF4miU1(a)mid.individual.net> <hkv7ng$5s5q$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <7thmvpFqqmU1(a)mid.individual.net> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <7thmvpFqqmU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: >Interestingly the corresponding patch for SPARC is 119963, and *no* >versions of that are accessible without support contracts. Clearly >SPARC users are being treated differently from x86 users. Not sure which BugID in 119964 qualified it as a free patch under the old policy and whether the bug applies to SPARC. John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Patch availability change References: <kn7b47-3ac.ln1(a)mail.specsol.com> <4B740876.9030002(a)par.univie.ac.at> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <4B740876.9030002(a)par.univie.ac.at>, Martin Paul <map(a)par.univie.ac.at> wrote: >Get ready for some bad news: According to my sources there will be no >more free access to any Solaris patch, be it security or not. A support <URL:http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-61-203648-1> | A support contract covering Solaris is required to access, | download, install and use all Solaris Software Updates. This | applies to all Solaris releases. John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Patch availability change References: <kn7b47-3ac.ln1(a)mail.specsol.com> <hl1a4i$as1g$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <7tip6tFlueU1(a)mid.individual.net> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <7tip6tFlueU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: >Hm. Does the word "Update" there refer to major Solaris updates (eg >Solaris 10 update 9) or patches? Patches. Solaris 10 October 2009 is an "update release": <URL:http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/releases.jsp> John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Patch availability change Summary: Expires: References: <kn7b47-3ac.ln1(a)mail.specsol.com> <4B740876.9030002(a)par.univie.ac.at> <c871baa8-653a-43c0-ab44-463cd9be7146(a)q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com> Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA Keywords: Cc: In article <c871baa8-653a-43c0-ab44-463cd9be7146(a)q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>, David Kirkby <drkirkby(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Feb 11, 1:39�pm, Martin Paul <m...(a)par.univie.ac.at> wrote: > >> Get ready for some bad news: According to my sources there will be no >> more free access to any Solaris patch, be it security or not. > >I think a failure to offer security fixes would be a major obstacle to >making Solaris more popular. For companies on a tight budget, Linux >would seem more attractive then. Any arguments by IT professionals >that Solaris is a more stable system would be met with arguments like >"yes, and when a major security flaw is found, you have to pay to have >it fixed". > >Buy a cheap PC from Tesco (in the UK) and it comes with Microsoft >Windows. All updates for that are free for life. I could buy a Windows >PC with free updates for life for less than I could buy a Sun >maintenance contract. > >Solaris has a small enough market share now. Making security fixes >chargeable would decrease that. > >FWIW, I tried to download a kernel update, which is marked as >recommended and security using pca last night. I was unable to do so, >even though my Sunsolve account is tied to a contract. I then logged >into Sunsolve directly with a browser, and was able to download it. > >For non-security fixes, then I can see why updates are chargeable. > >Dave Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Patch availability change References: <kn7b47-3ac.ln1(a)mail.specsol.com> <4B740876.9030002(a)par.univie.ac.at> <c871baa8-653a-43c0-ab44-463cd9be7146(a)q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <c871baa8-653a-43c0-ab44-463cd9be7146(a)q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>, David Kirkby <drkirkby(a)gmail.com> wrote: >I think a failure to offer security fixes would be a major obstacle to >making Solaris more popular. For companies on a tight budget, Linux I think the Solaris marketing wonks see Indiana as the volume operating system for developers, content creators, early adopters and those who don't want to buy support contracts. >would seem more attractive then. Any arguments by IT professionals >that Solaris is a more stable system would be met with arguments like >"yes, and when a major security flaw is found, you have to pay to have >it fixed". I only have access to one Redhat Enterprise Linux installation and up2date is bound to an annual support subscription. Are RHEL security fixes available without a subscription or does one need to run Fedora? Or are you referring to a different Linux distribution? >FWIW, I tried to download a kernel update, which is marked as >recommended and security using pca last night. I was unable to do so, >even though my Sunsolve account is tied to a contract. I then logged >into Sunsolve directly with a browser, and was able to download it. You had to periodically run pca with --update=check as Sun would break the "wget" interfaces. $ ./pca --version pca 20091216-02 John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Patch availability change Summary: Expires: References: <kn7b47-3ac.ln1(a)mail.specsol.com> <c871baa8-653a-43c0-ab44-463cd9be7146(a)q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com> <hl1klv$lo7q$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <55a52396-3856-4643-ac18-5c0695a570fc(a)l19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: inet Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA Keywords: Cc: In article <55a52396-3856-4643-ac18-5c0695a570fc(a)l19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, David Kirkby <drkirkby(a)gmail.com> wrote: >That's quite possibly true, but on SPARC hardware, that is not really >very viable. Why? >In any case, I rekon at least some people that use Open Solaris now >might think twice about it in future. I suspect Oracle could be >killing that off Redhat could try to kill Fedora, but I'm not sure how that benefits them. Of course, Larry Ellison might see a profit in trying to kill Solaris that I don't see. >A lot of people buy old SPARCs and run Solaris. Killing that off, >would IMHO, decrease the already small update of Solaris. Those people will either need to buy a support subscription for Solaris (or not and just live without patches) or install OpenSolaris or *BSD or *Linux and self-support. >There are plenty of free linux distros - Ubunta, Debian etc. For >startup companies on a tight budget, they are looking more attractive >than Solaris. Hence those companies are likely to go with Linux rather >than Solaris. What's more compelling about those distros over OpenSolaris? Do they have better ISV support? Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Joe Little's 2yr-old "little note" on backup via Amanda: anything better since then? References: <hlf133$ihr$1(a)panix2.panix.com> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <hlf133$ihr$1(a)panix2.panix.com>, David Combs <dkcombs(a)panix.com> wrote: >How do YOU make an off-site backup? I send my compressed ZFS snapshots to locally connected USB drives and to remote NFS servers (over SSH tunnels.) John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Samba mount on Solaris 10. References: <83f63c60-3164-484d-977f-da831e9d644e(a)15g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> Followup-To: comp.unix.solaris Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) [follow-ups set to comp.unix.solaris] In article <83f63c60-3164-484d-977f-da831e9d644e(a)15g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, DVik <dvik(a)softcase.co.uk> wrote: >I am trying to mount Samba filesystems on my Solaris 10 machine. Using mount_smbfs(1M), smbfs(7FS), and friends have not been backported to Solaris 10. You'll need to upgrade to Indiana or use third party software. <URL:http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/downloads> <URL:http://www.obdev.at/products/sharity/index.html> Happy hacking, John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware Subject: Re: Wireless on Solaris 10 Summary: Expires: References: <f0f951a2-ab2a-44ec-8804-31c1cde60192(a)g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA Keywords: Cc: In article <f0f951a2-ab2a-44ec-8804-31c1cde60192(a)g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, DVik <dvik(a)softcase.co.uk> wrote: >Well posted the same on comp.sys.sun.admin but might this is more >relevant group. > >I am trying to setup my wireless connection on a Solaris 10 machine. > >I have a Belkin F5D7050 on a USB port and I think I do not have the >appropriate driver to enable it. I tried various things, like >downloading zyd or rum drivers etc and they either failed to attach or >(in >case of zyd) failed to compile and gave me plenty of syntax errors in >the headers. > >Any help is appriciated of how to access my wireless router and see >the NET. > >I am running Solaris 10 10/09 sun10x_u8wos_08 X86 on an amd64 Dell >machine. > >The relevant bits of prtconf -pv output are the following > > Node 0x00000f > assigned-addresses: >8100e820.00000000.0000d400.00000000.00000020 > reg: >0000e800.00000000.00000000.00000000.00000000.0100e820.00000000.00000000.00000000.00000020 > compatible: 'pci8086,3a34.1028.283.0' + >'pci8086,3a34.1028.283' + 'pci1028,283' + 'pci8086,3a34.0' + >'pci8086,3a34' + 'pciclass,0c0300' + 'pciclass,0c03' > model: 'Universal Serial Bus UHCI compliant' > power-consumption: 00000001.00000001 > fast-back-to-back: > devsel-speed: 00000001 > interrupts: 00000001 > max-latency: 00000000 > min-grant: 00000000 > subsystem-vendor-id: 00001028 > subsystem-id: 00000283 > unit-address: '1d' > class-code: 000c0300 > revision-id: 00000000 > vendor-id: 00008086 > device-id: 00003a34 > name: 'pci1028,283' > > Node 0x000010 > assigned-addresses: >8100e920.00000000.0000d080.00000000.00000020 > reg: >0000e900.00000000.00000000.00000000.00000000.0100e920.00000000.00000000.00000000.00000020 > compatible: 'pci8086,3a35.1028.283.0' + >'pci8086,3a35.1028.283' + 'pci1028,283' + 'pci8086,3a35.0' + >'pci8086,3a35' + 'pciclass,0c0300' + 'pciclass,0c03' > model: 'Universal Serial Bus UHCI compliant' > power-consumption: 00000001.00000001 > fast-back-to-back: > devsel-speed: 00000001 > interrupts: 00000002 > max-latency: 00000000 > min-grant: 00000000 > subsystem-vendor-id: 00001028 > subsystem-id: 00000283 > unit-address: '1d,1' > class-code: 000c0300 > revision-id: 00000000 > vendor-id: 00008086 > device-id: 00003a35 > name: 'pci1028,283' > > Node 0x000011 > assigned-addresses: >8100ea20.00000000.0000d000.00000000.00000020 > reg: >0000ea00.00000000.00000000.00000000.00000000.0100ea20.00000000.00000000.00000000.00000020 > compatible: 'pci8086,3a36.1028.283.0' + >'pci8086,3a36.1028.283' + 'pci1028,283' + 'pci8086,3a36.0' + >'pci8086,3a36' + 'pciclass,0c0300' + 'pciclass,0c03' > model: 'Universal Serial Bus UHCI compliant' > power-consumption: 00000001.00000001 > fast-back-to-back: > devsel-speed: 00000001 > interrupts: 00000003 > max-latency: 00000000 > min-grant: 00000000 > subsystem-vendor-id: 00001028 > subsystem-id: 00000283 > unit-address: '1d,2' > class-code: 000c0300 > revision-id: 00000000 > vendor-id: 00008086 > device-id: 00003a36 > name: 'pci1028,283' > > Node 0x000012 > assigned-addresses: >8200ef10.00000000.feafb800.00000000.00000400 > reg: >0000ef00.00000000.00000000.00000000.00000000.0200ef10.00000000.00000000.00000000.00000400 > compatible: 'pci8086,3a3a.1028.283.0' + 'pci8086,3a3a. >1028.283' + 'pci1028,283' + 'pci8086,3a3a.0' + 'pci8086,3a3a' + >'pciclass,0c0320' + 'pciclass,0c03' > model: 'Universal Serial Bus EHCI compliant' > power-consumption: 00000001.00000001 > fast-back-to-back: > devsel-speed: 00000001 > interrupts: 00000001 > max-latency: 00000000 > min-grant: 00000000 > subsystem-vendor-id: 00001028 > subsystem-id: 00000283 > unit-address: '1d,7' > class-code: 000c0320 > revision-id: 00000000 > vendor-id: 00008086 > device-id: 00003a3a > name: 'pci1028,283' Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Wireless on Solaris 10 References: <f0f951a2-ab2a-44ec-8804-31c1cde60192(a)g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <11f6c368-6937-4a2c-9742-cbfa8fb8e37b(a)y33g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Followup-To: comp.unix.solaris Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) [follow-ups set to comp.unix.solaris] In article <f0f951a2-ab2a-44ec-8804-31c1cde60192(a)g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, DVik <dvik(a)softcase.co.uk> wrote: >Well posted the same on comp.sys.sun.admin but might this is more >relevant group. comp.unix.solaris is probably most relevant. >I am trying to setup my wireless connection on a Solaris 10 machine. Most of the wireless driver work was done for Indiana and Nevada. I know that early versions of ath(7D) work with Solaris 10, but don't think many other WiFi drivers have been backported. <URL:http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+laptop/ath> You should be able to find PCI cards with the Atheros chipset on eBay. Alternatively, you can try booting the LiveCD of the development preview of OpenSolaris 2010.03 and see if rum(7D) attaches. <URL:http://www.genunix.org/> John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Wireless on Solaris 10 References: <f0f951a2-ab2a-44ec-8804-31c1cde60192(a)g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <11f6c368-6937-4a2c-9742-cbfa8fb8e37b(a)y33g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <hljm9o$lo1c$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <06097d5e-3ca3-4c22-943d-e7e71a8e31ba(a)e1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> Distribution: inet Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <06097d5e-3ca3-4c22-943d-e7e71a8e31ba(a)e1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, DVik <dvik(a)softcase.co.uk> wrote: >knows where can I find binaries for zyd? I 'd like to give it a try They don't exist for Solaris 10. You'll need to upgrade to a recent OpenSolaris (Indiana) build. John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Audio Card for Sun? References: <z3zfn.414$G_2.245(a)newsfe15.iad> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <z3zfn.414$G_2.245(a)newsfe15.iad>, trs80 <trs80(a)YAHOO.COM> wrote: >Where can I find a audio interface card, PCIe or Rackmount unit that has >drivers for Sun Solaris 10? >Looking to record 4 audio inputs minimum. Have a look at the Solaris 10 HCL: <URL:http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sol/components/views/audio_all_results.page1.html> Also, 4Front/OpenSound's HCL: <URL:http://www.opensound.com/osshw.html> Happy shopping, John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,alt.solaris.x86 Subject: Re: External DVD-writer References: <1a455bd7-4e26-418b-9381-1f24871c7c61(a)l19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <6d17823c-f0ba-4bef-a795-db40855eaac7(a)m37g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <6d17823c-f0ba-4bef-a795-db40855eaac7(a)m37g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, David Kirkby <drkirkby(a)gmail.com> wrote: >I'm not aware of any, but a DVD writer is not going to be a lot of >help on a modern machine for backup purposes. A tape drive or external >hard drive is probably more appropriate. Agreed. Depending on the OP's data size, a Western Digital Passport might be sufficient. <URL:http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=701> However, if I needed an optical media writer for some other purpose, I would look very closely at Plextor. Their CD and DVD burners have been rock solid for me. <URL:http://www.plextor-digital.com/index.php/en/External-DVD+/-RW/> John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,alt.solaris.x86 Subject: Re: External DVD-writer References: <1a455bd7-4e26-418b-9381-1f24871c7c61(a)l19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <6d17823c-f0ba-4bef-a795-db40855eaac7(a)m37g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <hma14i$pc6k$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <870c69cc-8952-4362-8eda-100e1fa27691(a)v20g2000yqv.googlegroups.com> Distribution: inet Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <870c69cc-8952-4362-8eda-100e1fa27691(a)v20g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, happytoday <ehabaziz2001(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Is that USB external DVD supported with Solaris 10 and usable to burn >DVD ? I see a few USB Plextor burners on the Solaris 10 HCL: <URL:http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sol/components/views/cd_rom_dvd_drive_all_results.mfg.page1.html> My guess is that Plextor's current drives are also supported. John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: java in firefox 3.6 References: <7vfksvF9stU1(a)mid.individual.net> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <7vfksvF9stU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Michael Laajanen <michael_laajanen(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >I can't get java(jre 1.6.0.18) to work under S10/amd and firefox 3.6! With Indiana and SFWfirefox: # ln -s /usr/java/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so /opt/sfw/lib/firefox/plugins/ Happy hacking, John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Allow/Disallow User/Group References: <hn50op$116m$1(a)net44p.hkbu.edu.hk> <hn50ks$34f$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> <hn59al$111q$1(a)net44p.hkbu.edu.hk> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <hn59al$111q$1(a)net44p.hkbu.edu.hk>, Mr. Chow Wing Siu <Johnson.Chow(a)Comp.HKBU.Edu.HK> wrote: >Are they only openssh options? (exists at Sun_SSH?) They're documented in sshd_config(4). John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: tcp port ranges for nfs in solaris 10 References: <2ca3f327-0ae5-4b82-8272-018a29b68f99(a)19g2000yqu.googlegroups.com> <367b13e7-79bc-4bf8-812d-f53c826bf293(a)u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <4ba0e829$0$22942$e4fe514c(a)news.xs4all.nl> <4ba0ed2f$0$50146$8046368a(a)newsreader.iphouse.net> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <4ba0ed2f$0$50146$8046368a(a)newsreader.iphouse.net>, Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)geeks.org> wrote: >What the OP really needs is a firewall that is smart enough about >watching the protocol itself to let through the RPC/NFS protocol, and Also, the OP needs to ask why is there a firewall between the NFS server and clients: What are the risks? Is NFS the right solution? Is VPN or ssh tunnel a possible hack? John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,alt.solaris.x86 Subject: Re: External DVD-writer References: <1a455bd7-4e26-418b-9381-1f24871c7c61(a)l19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <7uvj26F7oiU1(a)mid.individual.net> <80rgaaF6lrU1(a)mid.dfncis.de> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <80rgaaF6lrU1(a)mid.dfncis.de>, Joerg Schilling <js(a)cs.tu-berlin.de> wrote: >Today, it does no longer makes sense to recommend Plextor as Plextor turned >into a reseller 4 years ago. The developers have been fired and Shinano Kenshi >only makes motors....... Thank you for the update. Care to tell us which vendors have recently been helpful with cdrecord development? John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.questions,comp.databases.oracle.server Subject: Re: best tutorial for installing oracle 10 for Solaris 10 x86 References: <81b9f5d4-2096-41cf-8587-6610229c35b5(a)x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com> Followup-To: comp.unix.solaris,alt.solaris.x86,comp.databases.oracle.server Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) [follow-ups trimmed to spare comp.unix.questions readers] In article <81b9f5d4-2096-41cf-8587-6610229c35b5(a)x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com>, happy <ehabaziz2001(a)gmail.com> wrote: >I am searching the net for the installation steps of Oracle 10g for >Solaris 10 x86 but with big differencies. Can anybody guide me to the <URL:http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B19306_01/relnotes.102/b15703/toc.htm> John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Future Terminal Emulator? Summary: Expires: References: <hoevbu$bke$1(a)reader1.panix.com> <1938fc1c4176fe2f2870ad2fe2195289(a)tatooine.homelinux.net> Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA Keywords: Cc: In article <1938fc1c4176fe2f2870ad2fe2195289(a)tatooine.homelinux.net>, starwars <nonscrivetemi(a)tatooine.homelinux.net> wrote: >dkcombs(a)panix.com (David Combs) wrote: > >> Why do you say all that? Solaris is (thus far) free, and works on x86, >> so why should Linux beat it out? Makes no sense to me. > >Solaris appears not to be free anymore. You're supposed to pay after 90 >days. Thanks, Oracle! > >> Sun/Oracle will keep improving it, and everyone else can get it for >> free? Sounds pretty good to me! > >If only it were so :-( > >> How does linux beat that? > >Cuz it's really free and Larry Ellison can't hijack it? ;) > Newsgroups: alt.solaris.x86 Subject: Re: unix documentation through solaris References: <7vp1dvFv1oU1(a)mid.individual.net> <7vp1vaFe1eU3(a)mid.individual.net> <812f1qFa08U1(a)mid.individual.net> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <812f1qFa08U1(a)mid.individual.net>, Phred Phungus <Phred(a)example.invalid> wrote: >Do I need to have a disc burner to install Solaris, given that I have a >dual boot ubuntu/windows x86? Probably easier for you to experiment with (Open)Solaris by running under VirtualBox. <URL:http://www.virtualbox.org> John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: patch status health check References: <MPG.2620470eb96578f6989680(a)freenews.netfront.net> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <MPG.2620470eb96578f6989680(a)freenews.netfront.net>, news 2010 <news.2010(a)ma.yer.at> wrote: >i have heard, there should be a tool available, which collects >all informations of patches and installed products. Martin Paul's Patch Check Advanced (PCA) will show you if your system has all recommended and security Solaris patches applied. <URL:http://www.par.univie.ac.at/solaris/pca/> It will also helpfully allow you to fetch and install those patches, at least when Larry Ellison and company aren't breaking patch access for customers. Happy patching, John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: patch status health check References: <MPG.2620470eb96578f6989680(a)freenews.netfront.net> <hp5a67$jc42$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <584775c2-4683-44d2-a72b-dd5fe664ae38(a)j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> Distribution: inet Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <584775c2-4683-44d2-a72b-dd5fe664ae38(a)j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, jay <gl(a)arlut.utexas.edu> wrote: >ah, but doesn't that assume that the machine has access to >the internet? seems like i tried this and some sort of outside No. pca will work against sneakernet outputs of uname(1), pkginfo(1) and showrev(1M). See the -f option. You can sneakernet the patches and patchdiag.xref back to your host and use pca to apply them from your own patch repo. John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: machine can't mount to itself References: <4b565030-d2ee-4236-ad1b-e3c3834439ec(a)o30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <4b565030-d2ee-4236-ad1b-e3c3834439ec(a)o30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, jay <gl(a)arlut.utexas.edu> wrote: >jgs# share -F nfs -o ro=jgs.arlut.utexas.edu,anon=0 /VOLUMES/space Just a WAG, how about share -o ro=jgs or share -o ro=localhost ? Guessing name lookup issue. John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: patch status health check Summary: Expires: References: <MPG.2620470eb96578f6989680(a)freenews.netfront.net> <584775c2-4683-44d2-a72b-dd5fe664ae38(a)j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <81mqi2F12uU1(a)mid.individual.net> <MPG.2622d7b1c1acc9fd989681(a)freenews.netfront.net> Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA Keywords: Cc: In article <MPG.2622d7b1c1acc9fd989681(a)freenews.netfront.net>, news 2010 <news.2010(a)ma.yer.at> wrote: >but i am looking more for a tool, where >the result can be shown a manager. >it should show a state overview of all server >not the details, which patches are installed or not. You can script something that outputs the emoticons :) and :( based on your manager's business rule. What's his business rule? Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: modern firefox on Solaris 10 References: <4bc58b76$0$11610$3b214f66(a)usenet.univie.ac.at> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <4bc58b76$0$11610$3b214f66(a)usenet.univie.ac.at>, Martin Paul <map(a)par.univie.ac.at> wrote: >On the most recent version of Solaris 10 with the current patch for >firefox installed, I have version 2.0.0.19 of the browser. Recently, I'm > being told by some websites (e.g. youtube) that my browser is not >supported anymore. Oracle uses Adobe Flash for Metalink. (Un)fortunately Adobe is still supporting Firefox 2.x so we don't have that leverage. <URL:http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/> <URL:https://support.oracle.com/CSP/ui/flash.html> Is there an RFE to backport firefox v3 to a future Solaris 10 update? Maybe there's some other customers that need a more modern firefox for Solaris 10. John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: modern firefox on Solaris 10 References: <4bc58b76$0$11610$3b214f66(a)usenet.univie.ac.at> <hq4t7e$as4q$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <7Enxn.33118$kj3.18170(a)newsfe08.iad> Distribution: inet Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <7Enxn.33118$kj3.18170(a)newsfe08.iad>, Colin B. <cbigam(a)somewhereelse.shaw.ca> wrote: >I'm more curious about whether there will be a future Solaris 10 update Indiana isn't ready to replace Solaris 10 and Solaris 10 updates will be required for the upcoming systems. >at all, firefox notwithstanding. I assume that Firefox3 will be backported >about as soon as they move beyond Gnome 2.6, i.e. never. Oracle can drop the more modern versions in /usr/sfw/lib or similar. >In the meantime, I'm running Firefox 3.6.3, courtesy of mozilla.com. Since >it now comes up on their main page, I'm pretending they sort-of support I use this URL to get Oracle's SFWfirefox packages for S10 and Indiana. <URL:http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/> >it. At any rate, it works fine--yeah, the plugins are a bit of a hassle >each time I upgrade, but really not that big of a deal. I symbolically link the Flash and JDK 6 plugins from /usr/lib/firefox/plugins and /usr/java/jre/lib/i386/ to /opt/sfw. John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: sendmail patch changes References: <4bbd80d3$0$10578$3b214f66(a)usenet.univie.ac.at> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <4bbd80d3$0$10578$3b214f66(a)usenet.univie.ac.at>, Martin Paul <map(a)par.univie.ac.at> wrote: >Just FYI: > >With today's new sendmail patches for Solaris 10 (142436-03/142437-03) >there are two interesting changes. The sendmail service is now split If you have wisely run "netservices limited" and then opened sendmail for remote connections, you'll need to reconfigure that service after applying that patch: # svccfg -s sendmail setprop config/local_only = false # svcadm refresh sendmail # svcadm restart sendmail Its a bug, not a feature that the behaviour is not documented in the README. John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Solaris licensing after Oracle takeover References: <Pine.GSO.4.64.1004142316480.20369(a)anahata> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <Pine.GSO.4.64.1004142316480.20369(a)anahata>, andy thomas <andy.thomas(a)ic.ac.uk> wrote: >whether these apply retrospectively to existing Solaris installations - >what is the situation where someone has bought the Solaris 9 media kit a >few years ago and installed this (or Solaris 10 from a registered >download) on a number of systems? IANAL nor a barrister but I assume that Oracle cannot change the EULA that you and Sun previously agreed to. If you're worried, you should consult yours. >Moving to Opensolaris is not an option for those who are running Solaris 9 >on older hardware such as Ultra 1's or Enterprise 150 servers as these are >not supported by either Solaris 10 or Osol. What applications are your running on those antiques? John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Solaris licensing after Oracle takeover References: <Pine.GSO.4.64.1004142316480.20369(a)anahata> <hq5t0m$f01i$1(a)tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> <Pine.GSO.4.64.1004150625460.20369(a)anahata> <82o8d9Frn1U1(a)mid.individual.net> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <82o8d9Frn1U1(a)mid.individual.net>, Michael Laajanen <michael_laajanen(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Atip if you like keeping the old machine but neet more storage, install > a LSI SAS/SATA adapter then remove disk backplane from the E150 What's the part number for this HBA? >keeping just the cages, then install standard SATA drives and connect >them internally with standard cables, runns cooler that the SCSI drives >and you can frow above the 300GB SCA drive limit. Combined with a *BSD ZFS implementation, it might extend the useful life of the box for the OP. John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: How to tell the Solaris Version References: <223c7efb-0c64-48a6-b21a-d5001933a5f8(a)20g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <223c7efb-0c64-48a6-b21a-d5001933a5f8(a)20g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, ChrisS <chris.scarff(a)gmail.com> wrote: >If you have a burned CD/DVD that simply says Solaris 10 on it, would >you think there would be a README file or version text file somewhere >on the Solaris CD to tell you what version the Solaris it was? Solaris_10/Product/SUNWsolnm/reloc/etc/release Happy hacking, John groenveld(a)acm.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Solaris licensing after Oracle takeover References: <Pine.GSO.4.64.1004142316480.20369(a)anahata> <Pine.GSO.4.64.1004150625460.20369(a)anahata> <nOKxn.3846$xE4.349(a)newsfe29.ams2> <Pine.GSO.4.64.1004160510270.22006(a)anahata> Organization: Penn State Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University Park, PA X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) In article <Pine.GSO.4.64.1004160510270.22006(a)anahata>, andy thomas <andy.thomas(a)ic.ac.uk> wrote: >Out of interest, does anyone know the annual cost of a basic Sun (sorry, I >meant Oracle) service plan to cover patch and patch cluster downloads for, >say, 15 systems? Negotiable. <URL:http://www.oracle.com/us/support/systems/operating-systems/index.html> Let us know what the sales critter proposes. John groenveld(a)acm.org |