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From: jamm on 13 Jan 2010 19:42
This group seems kinda dead from when I was last here a few years back. Is
there a better forum for this subject now?


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From: Jamie on 13 Jan 2010 20:16
jamm wrote:
> This group seems kinda dead from when I was last here a few years back. Is
> there a better forum for this subject now?
>
>
Depends on your level I guess.

You can try the .design


From: Michael Black on 14 Jan 2010 00:33
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010, Jamie wrote:

> jamm wrote:
>> This group seems kinda dead from when I was last here a few years back. Is
>> there a better forum for this subject now?
>>
>>
> Depends on your level I guess.
>
> You can try the .design
>
And if you really mean that, then you've defined the problem.

That newsgroup has gone to the dogs, after some people decided it
should be a hangout. That brought all the political junk there.

Then, too often idiots post their beginner or at least non-design
questions there because they see all the traffic and think they
should post there. So every time that happens, this newsgroup
loses traffic, but even worse, usually those bozos over there don't
even realize the nature of the question, so they respond as if
the person posting knows what they are doing. That doesn't leave
much of use for the beginner.

I recall one poster some years back who had not one clue, but ended up
generating massive threads. He'd post something based on his vague
knowledge, he'd get back answers which he didn't have the background
to interpret, and he'd ricoche off those answers, going off on another
tangent. Many messages later, it would be revealed why he needed
something, and the why actually helped to define the what. Lots of
fancy solutions were unnecessary because he'd not defined the problem
properly (at least here, one can assume people don't know what they
are talking about so that can be built into the answers). Then the
messages would continue, and he'd reveal another bit of his lack of
knowledge. Had he simply done some reading in the first place, and
the guy wasn't stupid (other than posting his beginner questions in
..design and not reading before asking questions), he at least would
have had some of the common background to have a proper discussion.
He was completely unaware of the solutions that used to be common
for his problem, yet a little reading would have gotten him up to speed
and those old solutions could have worked or at least he'd have an idea
why they weren't viable for his need. My recollection is that not many
over there took him to task when someone suggested a varactor for
frequency multiplying, and he said "varactors can't multiply". He was
just wasting people's time, though unlike a lot of cases, at least he
kept replying rather than the single posts that most make.

Note that .repair has also become a hangout, with most of the regulars
posting about non-repair matters, though it hasn't yet declined to
discussion of the weather or politics. And there are certainly an awful
lot of non-repair questions appearing, from idiots who aren't looking for
the proper place to post and again think they ought to post in .repair
because of the traffic there.

It's an idiot solution to suggest people post over there, you are adding
to the decline of this newsgroup.

What people are missing is that there's an internet generation gap.
The masses have come to the internet and they don't have the history
of those who came before. They come to it for other reasons and they come
to it with the perception that the internet is commercial, so they flock
to all the branded spaces that have come up in the last ten years. So
very few people are coming to the newsgroups, and that's always been the
source of a healthy newsgroup. If nobody new shows up, a newsgroup decays
to a hangout and that's the death of a newsgroup.

Michael

From: Charles on 14 Jan 2010 18:27

> What people are missing is that there's an internet generation gap.
> The masses have come to the internet and they don't have the history
> of those who came before. They come to it for other reasons and they come
> to it with the perception that the internet is commercial, so they flock
> to all the branded spaces that have come up in the last ten years. So
> very few people are coming to the newsgroups, and that's always been the
> source of a healthy newsgroup. If nobody new shows up, a newsgroup decays
> to a hangout and that's the death of a newsgroup.

Yeah and amen. Why would a young engineer care about the rapidly
degenerating fogies who now control the electronic groups using arrogant
vitriol, pomposity, and personal attacks plus way too many off-topic (mostly
political) posts to feed their fragile egos.


From: Michael A. Terrell on 14 Jan 2010 20:19

Charles wrote:
>
> > What people are missing is that there's an internet generation gap.
> > The masses have come to the internet and they don't have the history
> > of those who came before. They come to it for other reasons and they come
> > to it with the perception that the internet is commercial, so they flock
> > to all the branded spaces that have come up in the last ten years. So
> > very few people are coming to the newsgroups, and that's always been the
> > source of a healthy newsgroup. If nobody new shows up, a newsgroup decays
> > to a hangout and that's the death of a newsgroup.
>
> Yeah and amen. Why would a young engineer care about the rapidly
> degenerating fogies who now control the electronic groups using arrogant
> vitriol, pomposity, and personal attacks plus way too many off-topic (mostly
> political) posts to feed their fragile egos.


Or a bitter ex-teacher who bitches about everything.


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