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From: Robert Noland on 10 Dec 2009 14:20 On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 10:42 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > The fact is, if there are license questions, then Fedora had better > not be > distributing the code either. And they clearly are. This was the issue that prevented me from merging/shipping it with FreeBSD 8.0. Without getting foundation lawyers involved, it appears rather questionable. robert. -- Robert Noland <rnoland(a)2hip.net> 2Hip Networks -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
From: Pekka Enberg on 10 Dec 2009 14:20 Hi Linus, On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Maarten Maathuis wrote: >> You assume that Red Hat has full control over the project, which i >> don't think is the case. The reason it isn't in staging yet (as far as >> i know) is because of some questions over the copyright of some >> (essential) microcode. Either the question needs to be answered, or it >> has to be reverse engineered to the point that it's possible to >> generate it. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Linus Torvalds <torvalds(a)linux-foundation.org> wrote: > I think people are just making up excuses, as evidenced by the fact that > you're quoting a different excuse than I've heard before. AFAICT, the "problem" here is that the guys running the nouveau project are simply not interested in merging the damn thing. I guess at some point one of us just needs to grab the code and send it to Greg for inclusion in -staging? Pekka -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
From: Alan Cox on 10 Dec 2009 14:30 > The fact is, if there are license questions, then Fedora had better not be > distributing the code either. And they clearly are. Their choice, but it's not their project - they are just chosing to import it. > I've heard the "but it's hard to merge" excuse too - which I also know is > bullshit, because I can look at the git tree Fedora apparently uses, and > it merges without any conflicts what-so-ever. So merge it - it's your call as the maintainer of the master tree - or put it in staging and dike out the microcode - which is firmware tree stuff *anyway* Alan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
From: Dave Airlie on 10 Dec 2009 14:40 On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Linus Torvalds <torvalds(a)linux-foundation.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Maarten Maathuis wrote: >> >> You assume that Red Hat has full control over the project, which i >> don't think is the case. The reason it isn't in staging yet (as far as >> i know) is because of some questions over the copyright of some >> (essential) microcode. Either the question needs to be answered, or it >> has to be reverse engineered to the point that it's possible to >> generate it. > > I think people are just making up excuses, as evidenced by the fact that > you're quoting a different excuse than I've heard before. > > The fact is, if there are license questions, then Fedora had better not be > distributing the code either. And they clearly are. Alan mentioned this at KS, Fedora shipping something and RH taking responsibility or something going upstream to you and then into multiple other distros that aren't RH controlled are completely different questions from the lawyers point of view. At the moment we cannot provide a Signed-off version of nouveau, I don't think you are willing to accept stuff without Signed-off-by's unless something has changed recently. > > And don't tell me about "full control". There's absolutely full control > over it being included or not. While its not Red Hat's decision, we pay one of the nouveau developers to work on it, but the project consists of a lot more than him, and RH generally doesn't order upstreams to do stuff they aren't comfortable with. If someone has time to take the nouveau patches and convert all the dubious pieces of code to firmware loader interface and set it up so the main code can be merged upstream and the firmware left to one side and someone else can possibly redistribute the firmware then it might happen quicker. Dave. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
From: Roland Dreier on 10 Dec 2009 14:50
> If someone has time to take the nouveau patches and convert all the dubious > pieces of code to firmware loader interface and set it up so the main code > can be merged upstream and the firmware left to one side and someone > else can possibly redistribute the firmware then it might happen quicker. I don't have any nvidia hardware. Someone send me an ion netbook and I'll take care of converting nouveau to firmware loader :) - R. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |