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From: Nathan Baker on 12 Jun 2010 22:15

"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have(a)notreplytome.cmm> wrote in message
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> "John Passaniti" <john.passaniti(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> I take it you don't believe in the old adage "give a man a fish and
>> he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a
>> lifetime."
>>
>
> That adage erroneously assumes that the supply of fish is of sufficient
> surplus to feed that man, no... to feed all men taught how to fish for
> their entire lives. That's a bad assumption.
>
> Let's start with tuna. Japan consumes 75% of the world's tuna: 80% of
> Atlantic bluefin tuna and 50% of other tuna. The supply of tuna is
> clearly
> insufficient to feed the world. It barely supplies a single country:
> Japan.
> China consumes 80% of the world's egg production. China consumes 50% of
> world's poultry. China has almost no arable land. China has 1.3 billion
> people to feed. Do you see a problem? No? What happens when India,
> Africa, and Brazil develop economically and live longer? In a short
> while,
> it isn't going to matter much if you teach a man to fish, or raise fowl,
> or
> farm snakes, alligators, or eels... Without China conquering Australia to
> use it as farmland, the world's food supply is in dire trouble. Don't you
> agree?
>

If we don't quickly develop an efficient "hop off of this dang rock" method,
then the population vs. resources equation is certainly going to create some
dire developments.

Interestingly, I was reading 'jonesforth.s' and 'jonesforth.f' this past
dawn. My conclusion is that Forth is a horrible language which is only fit
for seriously "messed-up" folk. :)

Nathan.


From: io_x on 16 Jun 2010 03:30
"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have(a)notreplytome.cmm> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> "John Passaniti" <john.passaniti(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:010e6b4d-9d86-48ea-9193-e684d514f58c(a)k39g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> I take it you don't believe in the old adage "give a man a fish and
>> he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a
>> lifetime."
>>
> That adage erroneously assumes that the supply of fish is of sufficient
> surplus to feed that man, no... to feed all men taught how to fish for
> their entire lives. That's a bad assumption.
>
> Let's start with tuna. Japan consumes 75% of the world's tuna: 80% of
> Atlantic bluefin tuna and 50% of other tuna. The supply of tuna is clearly
> insufficient to feed the world. It barely supplies a single country: Japan.
> China consumes 80% of the world's egg production.
....
i not understand, not you, not the situation at full.

but for me all has to have be in "closed places"
each "closed place" has to resolve his local problem
and not export them all round the world.

it is like some time ago, where there are "dazi" and all went well



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