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From: Hal Rosser on 17 Dec 2007 00:54 "Mark Rae [MVP]" <mark(a)markNOSPAMrae.net> wrote in message news:uwMloC%23PIHA.4684(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > "Hal Rosser" <hmrosser(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:mP29j.21451$vt2.5034(a)bignews8.bellsouth.net... > >> I believe the W3C is deprecating frames, framesets, and Iframes in favor >> of using div tags and css. > > How did you arrive at that conclusion...? > http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/frames.html > http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/sgml/framesetdtd.html > http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#a_dtd_XHTML-1.0-Frameset > http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_framesmodule > > >> xhtml is (slowly) replacing html. > > Depends who you talk to: > http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml > > > -- > Mark Rae > ASP.NET MVP > http://www.markrae.net You may be right. Can you use frames in a valid html strict DTD ? I just go by what I read and hear. If you say it ain't so - and you have that MVP title- then I must believe you. Why are there rumors that frames are being deprecated? here's a link you might like http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/html/doctype.html#strict and here's one from the w3c http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html have fun
From: Mark Rae [MVP] on 17 Dec 2007 02:52 "Hal Rosser" <hmrosser(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:U9o9j.41239$L%6.27717(a)bignews3.bellsouth.net... > Can you use frames in a valid html strict DTD ? HTML 4.01 has three DTDs: HTML 4.01 Strict DTD includes all elements and attributes that have not been deprecated or do not appear in frameset documents. HTML 4.01 Transitional DTD includes everything in the strict DTD plus deprecated elements and attributes. HTML 4.01 Frameset DTD includes everything in the transitional DTD plus elements and attributes for creating frames. If frames are avoided, there is no need to use this DTD. > Why are there rumors that frames are being deprecated? I have no idea... > here's a link you might like > http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/html/doctype.html#strict > and here's one from the w3c > http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html What am I supposed to learn from those...? -- Mark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net
From: Hal Rosser on 17 Dec 2007 20:12 "Mark Rae [MVP]" <mark(a)markNOSPAMrae.net> wrote in message news:uF3u5GIQIHA.5400(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > "Hal Rosser" <hmrosser(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:U9o9j.41239$L%6.27717(a)bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> Can you use frames in a valid html strict DTD ? > > HTML 4.01 has three DTDs: > > HTML 4.01 Strict DTD includes all elements and attributes that have not > been deprecated or do not appear in frameset documents. > > HTML 4.01 Transitional DTD includes everything in the strict DTD plus > deprecated elements and attributes. > > HTML 4.01 Frameset DTD includes everything in the transitional DTD plus > elements and attributes for creating frames. If frames are avoided, there > is no need to use this DTD. > > >> Why are there rumors that frames are being deprecated? > > I have no idea... > > >> here's a link you might like >> http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/html/doctype.html#strict >> and here's one from the w3c >> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html > > What am I supposed to learn from those...? ** That Strict DTD is the only DTD that does not allow deprecated tags. ** Strict DTD does not allow frames. therefore : yes, lets hear it - frames will be going away as the industry moves to strict DTD. > > > -- > Mark Rae > ASP.NET MVP > http://www.markrae.net The transitional DTD and the frameset DTD allow deprecated tags, but the strict DTD does not, right? The Strict DTD does not allow framesets, right? Deprecated tags should not be used because the support for those tags will eventually go away, right? Shouldn't one expect that when the deprecated tags go away, so will the DTDs that allow them? Since the frameset DTD is one of those DTDs that allow deprecated tags, then it will probably go away. The end
From: Mark Rae [MVP] on 17 Dec 2007 21:48
"Hal Rosser" <hmrosser(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:h8F9j.44813$K27.40297(a)bignews6.bellsouth.net... > The transitional DTD and the frameset DTD allow deprecated tags, but the > strict DTD does not, right? The frameset DTD is an extension of the transitional DTD which includes frames. > The Strict DTD does not allow framesets, right? Right - that's what the frameset DTD is for... > Deprecated tags should not be used because the support for those tags will > eventually go away, right? There are eleven tags which are deprecated in the strict DTD: APPLET, BASEFONT, CENTER, DIR, FONT, IFRAME, ISINDEX, MENU, S, STRIKE, and U. They will eventually be removed from the frameset DTD too. However, the frameset DTD itself will remain for the forseeable future, specifically to support frames - that's what it's for... > Shouldn't one expect that when the deprecated tags go away, so will the > DTDs that allow them? The transitional DTD will eventually disappear leaving only strict DTD and frameset DTD. > Since the frameset DTD is one of those DTDs that allow deprecated tags, > then it will probably go away. It will remain as long as the strict DTD - both will eventually be replaced by newer standards... -- Mark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net |