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From: MRAB on 11 Jul 2010 18:55 John Bokma wrote: > Thomas Jollans <thomas(a)jollans.com> writes: > >> On 07/11/2010 07:44 AM, rantingrick wrote: >>> On Jul 10, 10:59 pm, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton >>> <luke.leigh...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> source at:http://github.com/lkcl/grailbrowser >>>> >>>> $ python grail.py (note the lack of "python1.5" or "python2.4") >>>> >>>> conversion of the 80 or so regex's to re has been carried out. >>>> entirely successfully or not is a matter yet to be determined. always >>>> a hoot to try browsinghttp://www.bbc.co.ukorhttp://www.youtube.com >>>> with a browser from 11+ years ago, it still cannot be resisted as >>>> grail is the only working graphical web browser in the world written >>>> in pure python [pybrowser is still in development, stalled]. >>>> >>>> l. >>> Congratulations on this effort Luke. However you know what project i >>> would really like to see the community get around? ...dramatic pause >>> here... a cross platform Python file browser! Yes i know there are >>> tons of them out there already and Python is a bit slow, but i think >>> it would be useful to many peoples. >> Cross platform file manager. Hmm. Does "cross platform" involve UNIX and >> something that isn't UNIX, say, Windows? >> Erm, no. No, no, no. It won't work. Well, it would work, but it wouldn't >> be any good. The UNIX and Windows concepts of "file system" are similar >> enough for most programs not to care too much, but for something like a >> file manager, that works intimately with the file system, trying to >> support both UNIX and Windows is NOT a good idea. > > Can't think of why not. Of course not all operations are shared by each > OS, but /I/ know that I can't do chmod on Windows. But it doesn't mean > that on Windows I can't make a file only readable by me. Just give me > the Windows security options on Windows, and chmod on *nix and I would > be very happy. > On Windows the root folders of the different drives could be treated as subfolders of a 'root' folder. > Especially if all can be done via a context menu a la RISC OS. > Ah, RISC OS! <rant> I'd heard how user-friendly the Mac was, but when I was first introduced to the Mac (circa MacOS 8) I was very surprised that even it still used old-fashioned Open and Save dialog boxes with their own little file browsers like on a Windows PC instead of drag-and-drop like I'd become used to on RISC OS. And that menu bar not even at the top of the window but at the top of the _screen_! And the way that bringing one Finder window to the front brought _all_ the Finder windows in front of the other windows! I was distinctly underwhelmed... :-( </rant>
From: rantingrick on 11 Jul 2010 19:44 On Jul 11, 11:31 am, Thomas Jollans <tho...(a)jollans.com> wrote: > On 07/11/2010 07:44 AM, rantingrick wrote: > > Congratulations on this effort Luke. However you know what project i > > would really like to see the community get around? ...dramatic pause > > here... a cross platform Python file browser! > > Cross platform file manager. Hmm. Does "cross platform" involve UNIX and > something that isn't UNIX, say, Windows? > Erm, no. No, no, no. It won't work....<snip>... trying to > support both UNIX and Windows is NOT a good idea. Why is that a bad idea, Python does it all the time? Many software so it all the time. This sounds like more fear than anything. If you attempt to be full-featured, keeping it in one > code base, let alone in one user interface, is destined to be a > nightmare and induce suicides. Thats False! > The above might have been very slightly exaggerated. Thats True!
From: rantingrick on 11 Jul 2010 20:01 On Jul 11, 11:57 am, Stephen Hansen <me+list/pyt...(a)ixokai.io> wrote: > On 7/11/10 9:31 AM, Thomas Jollans wrote: > > trying to > > support both UNIX and Windows is NOT a good idea. > > And you can't lump the Mac in with "UNIX" here, even though it really is > UNIX at the foundation, because there's some very fundamental > differences between HFS+ (and some other details that are higher level) > and more traditional unix FS's. Not to mention that the Mac FS situation > is slightly schitzo since it has two very different ways at looking and > treating the files, the posix way and the Foundation way... and users > think more in terms of the latter, usually. At least less sophisticated > users. Sure you can! Have you ever heard of a *rare* module by the name of "os"? Yes i know *nobody* uses it but it works nonetheless! > You can't do a cross-platform file manager without either doing a huge > amount of work exposing each platform separately-- essentially getting > separate codebases for each-- or doing a least common denominator > situation, at which point I boggle: why the hell did you bother to begin > with? Even Finder is better then that, let alone windows' Explorer. Nothing is worse than InternetExploder\Exploder, nothing! And whats wrong with seperate code bases, it's three modules and a startup script... if sys.platform == 'win32': import fm32 elif sys.platform == 'darwin': import fmdarwin elif sys.platform == 'nix': import fmnix We just recently had a discussion about CONDITIONALS Stephen have you forgotten already? > (*): I do not argue that a non-default file manager on an OS might be a > great thing. Now you're talking! > (**): The drop stack is a little corner of the window that you can drag > files onto. Then drag more files onto. Then drag more files onto. Then > you can navigate to another part of the system, and drag files off of > said stack, in a LIFO manner, moving them as a result of this action. This drop stack sound interesting. I've always hated the cut paste as you could not add to the cut buffer.
From: Steven D'Aprano on 11 Jul 2010 20:15 On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:31:39 +0200, Thomas Jollans wrote: > Cross platform file manager. Hmm. Does "cross platform" involve UNIX and > something that isn't UNIX, say, Windows? Erm, no. No, no, no. It won't > work. Well, it would work, but it wouldn't be any good. The UNIX and > Windows concepts of "file system" are similar enough for most programs > not to care too much, but for something like a file manager, that works > intimately with the file system, trying to support both UNIX and Windows > is NOT a good idea. Try telling that to the KDE people. -- Steven
From: rantingrick on 11 Jul 2010 20:21
On Jul 11, 5:28 pm, Fuzzyman <fuzzy...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > But why hijack someone else's announcement to do that? Congratulations > alone would have been great. However good your intentions your message > came across as "but it would really have been better if you had been > doing something else instead...". Micheal i think you're just simply projecting some inner feelings on to my post resulting in a complete mis-understanding. And i *did not* say the project was useless, on the contrary i am very happy the OP resurrected this lost script. I only suggested a similar project that the OP *may* find to be interesting. Maybe not, but lets leave the decision for the OP, Ok. |