how to convince that debian is one the three major choices for a stable server environment?
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From: ceduardo on 22 Feb 2010 10:20 2010/2/22 Ãéþñãïò ÐÜëëáò <gpall(a)ccf.auth.gr>: > (it is, isn't it? :-) ) > > So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo, and are > searching for our new environment. From my personal experience I would say > debian stable - Server OS > statistics? Bugs? Any white papers showing > debian's superiority? > > I am also doing my google research, but I'm asking if someone can point me > to something like real hard evidence... Hi you can see about the Debian statistics into this link http://wiki.debian.org/Statistics I am thinking that you can test Debian on a parallel server, I worked with Slackware but I changed my OS to Debian and can get a succesfull migration. The test is the best way to see the problems or the profit. > > Thanks, > G. > PD: I sorry, because my english is so bad. -- ceduardo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/c068e3701002220710k2ba41c71ndadbe46fc0e7c2d0(a)mail.gmail.com
From: Scott Gifford on 22 Feb 2010 12:20 2010/2/22 Ãéþñãïò ÐÜëëáò <gpall(a)ccf.auth.gr> > (it is, isn't it? :-) ) > > So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo, and are > searching for our new environment. From my personal experience I would say > debian stable - any hard evidence to support the claim? Server OS > statistics? Statistics for stableness? Bugs? Any white papers showing > debian's superiority? > Not hard research, but I'll mention that one huge advantage of Debian is managing updates. Being able to get all security updates by typing "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" is fantastic. It lets me manage quite a few servers in different locations with very little work, and with great confidence that the updates will work properly. When considering other options be sure to look at how OS updates are managed, in particular security updates, and think about how much time it will consume. ----Scott.
From: Jordan Metzmeier on 22 Feb 2010 12:40 I could think of a ton of reasons a company would want to move from Gentoo. Primarily related to maintenance time on the machine. Lets just take this example: A new vulnerability is found in kernels below version X. In debian often the kernel will get patched to fixed said vulnerability and can be installed via the package manager. If it were a Gentoo box the administrator of the machine would either have to patch his existing kernel manually and recompile or upgrade to a new kernel version (which could require reconfiguration prior to recompilation). He could have entirely different reasons but maintenance time on Gentoo systems can be quite extreme in comparison to binary-packaged enterprise distros. On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby <mihamina(a)gulfsat.mg> wrote: >> ÎιÏÏÎ³Î¿Ï Î Î¬Î»Î»Î±Ï <gpall(a)ccf.auth.gr> : >> (it is, isn't it? :-) ) >> So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo > > What reasons have you collected to decide to move from Gentoo? > > -- >    Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: >   Administration Systeme, Recherche & Developpement >         +261 34 29 155 34 / +261 33 11 207 36 > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian..org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100222202338.0ee5f7c4(a)pbmiha.malagasy.com > > -- Jordan Metzmeier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50e5edd51002220933p702ba00ay43bb8972eb08bb84(a)mail.gmail.com
From: Jordan Metzmeier on 22 Feb 2010 13:10 The patches are released. The way that it works is that when you `emerge` your kernel sources the package manager downloads the sources, untars to /usr/src/, and automatically applies the patches provided by the Gentoo kernel team. AFAIK, Gentoo does not patch older kernel versions when a new one has been marked stable in Portage (which is quite often). With this, you could acquire the patch used for a newer version and apply it to your existing sources, but my point was this is a lot of manual work that is unnecessary in distributions such as Debian. On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby <mihamina(a)gulfsat.mg> wrote: >> Jordan Metzmeier <titan8990(a)gmail.com> : >> Lets just take this example: A new vulnerability is found in kernels >> below version X. In debian often the kernel will get patched to fixed >> said vulnerability and can be installed via the package manager. If it >> were a Gentoo box the administrator of the machine would either have >> to patch his existing kernel manually and recompile or upgrade to a >> new kernel version (which could require reconfiguration prior to >> recompilation). > > Really? The gentoo distribution does not release it's kernel patch set, > just the way the other distributions do? > > -- > Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: > Administration Systeme, Recherche & Developpement > +261 34 29 155 34 / +261 33 11 207 36 > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian..org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100222204928.792c1bdc(a)pbmiha.malagasy.com > > -- Jordan Metzmeier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50e5edd51002221008g63c1eda6wee9a9749d28ccb5a(a)mail.gmail.com
From: Dotan Cohen on 22 Feb 2010 16:10
> Depending on what you want to use the servers for, OpenBSD > Don't forget that there is a FreeBSD-based Debian distro out there. I don't know how it fares compared to the GNU/Linux Debian distro in terms of application support, but the Debian name carries a lot of weight in terms of stability and security. As does FreeBSD. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/880dece01002221302n44a1d6eaxde2915ed016f2a4b(a)mail.gmail.com |