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From: Richard B. Gilbert on 12 May 2010 10:17
hume.spamfilter(a)bofh.ca wrote:
> vedmak <vedmak90(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> exactly! what value is there in Solaris OS if it is full of bugs and
>
> While I strongly object to Oracle cutting off security patches to currently-
> supported products, it borders on ridiculous to complain about them not
> sinking time and money into maintaining a patch archive for an OS over a
> decade old... especially when there have been free new versions in between.
>
>> exploits, I have a sparcstation 20,
>> that kind of chokes on solaris 9 and not compatible with Solaris 10,
>
> Again: You want to run a 12-year-old OS on fifteen+ year-old hardware.
> You have to take what you can get.
>
> This isn't a "Sun/Oracle" thing, either. Install an old Linux onto a 486,
> refuse to upgrade, and then ask for security patches. See what kind of
> response you get.
>

There ARE limits to what Sun/Oracle, or any other company can do. Ford
will NOT support your Model T any longer! The world moves on! You
either move with it or get left behind!!
From: vedmak on 12 May 2010 19:21
On May 12, 8:17 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...(a)comcast.net>
wrote:
> hume.spamfil...(a)bofh.ca wrote:
> > vedmak <vedma...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> exactly! what value is there in Solaris OS if it is full of bugs and
>
> > While I strongly object to Oracle cutting off security patches to currently-
> > supported products, it borders on ridiculous to complain about them not
> > sinking time and money into maintaining a patch archive for an OS over a
> > decade old... especially when there have been free new versions in between.
>
> >> exploits, I have a sparcstation 20,
> >> that kind of chokes on solaris 9 and not compatible with Solaris 10,
>
> > Again: You want to run a 12-year-old OS on fifteen+ year-old hardware.
> > You have to take what you can get.
>
> > This isn't a "Sun/Oracle" thing, either.  Install an old Linux onto a 486,
> > refuse to upgrade, and then ask for security patches.  See what kind of
> > response you get.
>
> There ARE limits to what Sun/Oracle, or any other company can do.  Ford
> will NOT support your Model T any longer!  The world moves on!  You
> either move with it or get left behind!!

Yeh, the world moves on, advertising java as multiplatform free
development tool, and then requiring you to buy a service contract to
run their os in order to get patches that make that "free" development
tool work, it is not the issue that they lack patches, they do have
those from solaris 7 upwards, right on their site. Maybe the free
mantra for java developers is just words.
From: Ceri Davies on 13 May 2010 16:18
On 2010-05-12, vedmak <vedmak90(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 12, 8:17?am, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...(a)comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> hume.spamfil...(a)bofh.ca wrote:
>> > vedmak <vedma...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> exactly! what value is there in Solaris OS if it is full of bugs and
>>
>> > While I strongly object to Oracle cutting off security patches to currently-
>> > supported products, it borders on ridiculous to complain about them not
>> > sinking time and money into maintaining a patch archive for an OS over a
>> > decade old... especially when there have been free new versions in between.
>>
>> >> exploits, I have a sparcstation 20,
>> >> that kind of chokes on solaris 9 and not compatible with Solaris 10,
>>
>> > Again: You want to run a 12-year-old OS on fifteen+ year-old hardware.
>> > You have to take what you can get.
>>
>> > This isn't a "Sun/Oracle" thing, either. ?Install an old Linux onto a 486,
>> > refuse to upgrade, and then ask for security patches. ?See what kind of
>> > response you get.
>>
>> There ARE limits to what Sun/Oracle, or any other company can do. ?Ford
>> will NOT support your Model T any longer! ?The world moves on! ?You
>> either move with it or get left behind!!
>
> Yeh, the world moves on, advertising java as multiplatform free
> development tool, and then requiring you to buy a service contract to
> run their os in order to get patches that make that "free" development
> tool work, it is not the issue that they lack patches, they do have
> those from solaris 7 upwards, right on their site. Maybe the free
> mantra for java developers is just words.

OK, well not much we can do about it if you feel that way. Bye.

Ceri
--
That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all.
-- Moliere
From: hume.spamfilter on 13 May 2010 18:02
vedmak <vedmak90(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> run their os in order to get patches that make that "free" development
> tool work, it is not the issue that they lack patches, they do have

Most, if not all of these tools will run on Linux and OpenSolaris. You
are bound by the version of Java you want to develop for, not the OS it runs
on.

Linux and OpenSolaris are free, and so is Java, and so are the Java tools.
And they're new, and they'll run on cheap, fast x86 hardware.

You're trying to develop on ridiculously old hardware running a ridiculously
old operating system. Your costs, in terms of productivity, are sky high
before you even turn the machine on.

> those from solaris 7 upwards, right on their site. Maybe the free
> mantra for java developers is just words.

Are you talking about Java, or talking about Solaris? They're not the
same thing.

--
Brandon Hume - hume -> BOFH.Ca, http://WWW.BOFH.Ca/
From: Barry on 14 May 2010 21:38
On Wed, 12 May 2010 10:17:33 -0400, "Richard B. Gilbert"
<rgilbert88(a)comcast.net> wrote:

>hume.spamfilter(a)bofh.ca wrote:
>> vedmak <vedmak90(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> exactly! what value is there in Solaris OS if it is full of bugs and
>>
>> While I strongly object to Oracle cutting off security patches to currently-
>> supported products, it borders on ridiculous to complain about them not
>> sinking time and money into maintaining a patch archive for an OS over a
>> decade old... especially when there have been free new versions in between.
>>
>>> exploits, I have a sparcstation 20,
>>> that kind of chokes on solaris 9 and not compatible with Solaris 10,
>>
>> Again: You want to run a 12-year-old OS on fifteen+ year-old hardware.
>> You have to take what you can get.
>>
>> This isn't a "Sun/Oracle" thing, either. Install an old Linux onto a 486,
>> refuse to upgrade, and then ask for security patches. See what kind of
>> response you get.
>>
>
>There ARE limits to what Sun/Oracle, or any other company can do. Ford
>will NOT support your Model T any longer! The world moves on! You
>either move with it or get left behind!!

But I got a lifetime guarentee when I bought my Model T!

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