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From: dilbert firestorm on 23 Feb 2010 05:38
I just recently bought a WD Caviar Blue 320gig Sata2 hard drive.

I've looked at some options on hooking up this drive to a win 98se
machine based on the IDE hard drive interface. It has an existing 20gig
hard drive, Fireball ATA-133 I think (don't remember who makes it)
and its running out of drive space.

1. Sata 1 or Sata 2 controller card

2. Sata - IDE/ATA adapter

3. SATA - IDE/ATA - USB adapter

points to consider, its meant to be a temporary/stop gap measure until I
can retire this old machine which is based on the Pentium 2-350 cpu.

I am looking at addonics for the adapters, but am open on the controller
cards without raid support as long as its cheap.

any suggestions welcome.

From: John McGaw on 23 Feb 2010 11:09
On 2/23/2010 5:38 AM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
> I just recently bought a WD Caviar Blue 320gig Sata2 hard drive.
>
> I've looked at some options on hooking up this drive to a win 98se
> machine based on the IDE hard drive interface. It has an existing 20gig
> hard drive, Fireball ATA-133 I think (don't remember who makes it) and
> its running out of drive space.
>
> 1. Sata 1 or Sata 2 controller card
>
> 2. Sata - IDE/ATA adapter
>
> 3. SATA - IDE/ATA - USB adapter
>
> points to consider, its meant to be a temporary/stop gap measure until I
> can retire this old machine which is based on the Pentium 2-350 cpu.
>
> I am looking at addonics for the adapters, but am open on the controller
> cards without raid support as long as its cheap.
>
> any suggestions welcome.
>

If it truly is temporary and you don't mind a performance hit, I'd vote for
#3. You can purchase a "cable" adapter such as the SABRENT SATA-C35U for <
$20 and it will likely prove useful in the future if only for drive testing
and cloning. #1 seems a waste since it will have no use on any modern
motherboard (does your old machine even have as much as a PCI slot?) #2 is
not likely to be of much use in the future since modern motherboards
include a single IDE controller as an afterthought and I suspect that even
that will be dropped fairly soon in favor or 6 or more SATA connectors.
From: frischmoutt on 23 Feb 2010 15:06

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> I just recently bought a WD Caviar Blue 320gig Sata2 hard drive.
>
> I've looked at some options on hooking up this drive to a win 98se
> machine based on the IDE hard drive interface. It has an existing 20gig
> hard drive, Fireball ATA-133 I think (don't remember who makes it)
> and its running out of drive space.
>
> 1. Sata 1 or Sata 2 controller card
>
> 2. Sata - IDE/ATA adapter
>
> 3. SATA - IDE/ATA - USB adapter
>
> points to consider, its meant to be a temporary/stop gap measure until I
> can retire this old machine which is based on the Pentium 2-350 cpu.
>
> I am looking at addonics for the adapters, but am open on the controller
> cards without raid support as long as its cheap.
>
> any suggestions welcome.
>

Hi Dilbert,

I'm not sure that Win 98SE ia able to handle such a capacity.
Although the sata controller will support virtually any size til PB, the
limitation will come from the OS.
For example, in Win 2000, LBA-48 mode needs to be activated.
I seem to recall that Win98SE only enables 28-bit addressing mode, that
leads to 128GB/137GB capacity, depending on the weight of the kilo prefix.
Beyong 128 GB, data will wrap around the addressing range, overlaying the
data that were written at the beg. of the disk.

It's what happened to me after I re-installed windows 2000. I forgot to
re-activate the LBA48 mode and my Maxtor 250GB Sata developped thousands of
errors at boot.

I think that this will be almost the same behaviour with Win98S, except that
the boundaries might be different.
I don't know if the Large Block Adressing can be activated on Win98SE.
The gurus will tell you.

Concerning the adapters there are several options:
* USB2.0 to SATA adapter, provided that you have an USB2.0 interface on the
PC. My first acquisition, works fine, very cheap.
* SATA controller, mixing or not IDE with SATA. The 4-port SATA to PCI (RAID
or not) are cheap on ebay. This was my second buy, also works fine.
* HDD docking station for one or two SATA disks with possible option for
card readers. One type is USB, another one is USB _and_ e-SATA (excluding
together). I recently bought the second type on ebay but not tested it yet.
Not too expensive.
* IDE to SATA adepter. I've no experience with it. I'd avoid it to the
benefit of a PCI controller or an USB to SATA solution, unless the SATA
doesn't inherit of the IDE limitations !
* External SATA mobile disk. Same as USB to SATA adapter but with the power
supply and its cable.
Should you choose USB or sata/e-sata interface, the device will be re-usable
on recent computers regardless of their mother boards.

Regards


From: kony on 23 Feb 2010 15:11
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:38:31 -0600, dilbert firestorm
<scanb31(a)i-55.com> wrote:

>I just recently bought a WD Caviar Blue 320gig Sata2 hard drive.
>
>I've looked at some options on hooking up this drive to a win 98se
>machine based on the IDE hard drive interface. It has an existing 20gig
> hard drive, Fireball ATA-133 I think (don't remember who makes it)
>and its running out of drive space.
>
>1. Sata 1 or Sata 2 controller card

^ This, a PCI ATA133 controller card is your best option.
Addonics cards are probably overpriced, you can get a
suitable card for about $20 in the US.


>2. Sata - IDE/ATA adapter

This would require your motherboard bios to support 48bit
LBA, i.e - HDD over 128GB in capacity. It is probably too
old to support capacities as high as 2GB.


>
>3. SATA - IDE/ATA - USB adapter

Keep in mind that Win98SE itself does not support 2GB, see
the following link:
http://www.48bitlba.com/win98.htm

.... and since the system probably uses USB1, not USB2,
access via usb would be incredibly slow by modern standards,
1MB/s instead of roughly 50MB/s average.

>
>points to consider, its meant to be a temporary/stop gap measure until I
>can retire this old machine which is based on the Pentium 2-350 cpu.
>
>I am looking at addonics for the adapters, but am open on the controller
>cards without raid support as long as its cheap.

There is no need to avoid RAID cards, they can run a single
drive in normal, not RAID mode, fine and do so by default.
Just leave the card configured to single-drive span, not
single drive stripe mode. The result is the drive will be
accessible still when removed from the raid card and
accessed by any (48 bit LBA capable) compatible PATA
controller/motherboard.

>
>any suggestions welcome.

See if there is a bios update for your motherboard to
support 48bit LBA, HDD over 128GB in capacity. If there is,
flash the new bios and buy a PATA-SATA adapter due to the
ease of use, no drivers needed for it, and low cost.

From: kony on 23 Feb 2010 15:15
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:09:00 -0500, John McGaw
<Nobody(a)Nowh.ere> wrote:

>On 2/23/2010 5:38 AM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
>> I just recently bought a WD Caviar Blue 320gig Sata2 hard drive.
>>
>> I've looked at some options on hooking up this drive to a win 98se
>> machine based on the IDE hard drive interface. It has an existing 20gig
>> hard drive, Fireball ATA-133 I think (don't remember who makes it) and
>> its running out of drive space.
>>
>> 1. Sata 1 or Sata 2 controller card
>>
>> 2. Sata - IDE/ATA adapter
>>
>> 3. SATA - IDE/ATA - USB adapter
>>
>> points to consider, its meant to be a temporary/stop gap measure until I
>> can retire this old machine which is based on the Pentium 2-350 cpu.
>>
>> I am looking at addonics for the adapters, but am open on the controller
>> cards without raid support as long as its cheap.
>>
>> any suggestions welcome.
>>
>
>If it truly is temporary and you don't mind a performance hit, I'd vote for
>#3. You can purchase a "cable" adapter such as the SABRENT SATA-C35U for <
>$20 and it will likely prove useful in the future if only for drive testing
>and cloning. #1 seems a waste since it will have no use on any modern
>motherboard (does your old machine even have as much as a PCI slot?) #2 is
>not likely to be of much use in the future since modern motherboards
>include a single IDE controller as an afterthought and I suspect that even
>that will be dropped fairly soon in favor or 6 or more SATA connectors.


RE: #2, some SATA-PATA adapters are bidirectional, so if the
next system only has SATA it could convert from SATA to PATA
HDD... but it would require the motherboard bios be capable
of supporting a 2GB HDD. Some late generation boards
capable of a P2/350 did have bios updates making that
possible, but the typical board of that era did not natively
support 48bit LBA, HDDs over 128GB.
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