From: Manfred Spraul on 16 May 2010 13:00 On 04/13/2010 08:57 PM, Nick Piggin wrote: > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 02:19:37PM -0400, Chris Mason wrote: > >> I don't see anything in the docs about the FIFO order. I could add an >> extra sort on sequence number pretty easily, but is the starvation case >> really that bad? >> > Yes, because it's not just a theoretical livelock, it can be basically > a certainty, given the right pattern of semops. > > You could have two mostly-independent groups of processes, each taking > and releasing a different sem, which are always contended (eg. if it is > being used for a producer-consumer type situation, or even just mutual > exclusion with high contention). > > Then you could have some overall management process for example which > tries to take both sems. It will never get it. > > The management process won't get the sem on Linux either: Linux implements FIFO, but there is no protection at all against starvation. If I understand the benchmark numbers correctly, a 4-core, 2 GHz Phenom is able to do ~ 2 million semaphore operations per second in one semaphore array. That's the limit - cache line trashing on the sma structure prevent higher numbers. For a NUMA system, the limit is probably lower. Chris: Do you have an estimate how many semop() your app will perform in one array? Perhaps we should really remove the per-array list, sma->sem_perm.lock and sma->sem_otime. -- Manfred -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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