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From: Mike Schilling on 7 Feb 2010 16:41
Arved Sandstrom wrote:

>
> As for me telling, I'm not telling Roedy anything. But I do feel that
> every developer who unnecessarily provides support for obsolete
> software versions is doing everyone else - other developers and
> consumers - a disfavour. Which is why I was asking. If he actually
> has a niche target market that truly for some arcane reason cannot
> upgrade to 1.6, then he's got a good reason.

If you want to tell a Fortune 500 company that in your opinion they need to
upgrade their production appservers to the newest version, feel free.
Unless they take your advice, be prepared to continue to support Java 1.4.
(As of a couple years ago, 1.3, but that's no longer a requirement (for me
at least))


From: Arne Vajhøj on 7 Feb 2010 17:02
On 07-02-2010 16:41, Mike Schilling wrote:
> Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>> As for me telling, I'm not telling Roedy anything. But I do feel that
>> every developer who unnecessarily provides support for obsolete
>> software versions is doing everyone else - other developers and
>> consumers - a disfavour. Which is why I was asking. If he actually
>> has a niche target market that truly for some arcane reason cannot
>> upgrade to 1.6, then he's got a good reason.
>
> If you want to tell a Fortune 500 company that in your opinion they need to
> upgrade their production appservers to the newest version, feel free.
> Unless they take your advice, be prepared to continue to support Java 1.4.
> (As of a couple years ago, 1.3, but that's no longer a requirement (for me
> at least))

Lucky !

Arne

From: Arved Sandstrom on 7 Feb 2010 19:58
Mike Schilling wrote:
> Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>
>> As for me telling, I'm not telling Roedy anything. But I do feel that
>> every developer who unnecessarily provides support for obsolete
>> software versions is doing everyone else - other developers and
>> consumers - a disfavour. Which is why I was asking. If he actually
>> has a niche target market that truly for some arcane reason cannot
>> upgrade to 1.6, then he's got a good reason.
>
> If you want to tell a Fortune 500 company that in your opinion they need to
> upgrade their production appservers to the newest version, feel free.
> Unless they take your advice, be prepared to continue to support Java 1.4.
> (As of a couple years ago, 1.3, but that's no longer a requirement (for me
> at least))

I'm a professional IT consultant, paid to provide technical opinions. If
in my opinion a client should upgrade their application servers then I
will tell them - that's my responsibility. I could care less if they're
Fortune 500 or some little shop with 50 people - they still rate to get
the same technical opinion.

You're quite right, the client doesn't have to take my advice or anyone
else's. In fact they often don't, and I'm used as a result to working
with obsolete software that eventually causes exactly the same problems
for the client as I warned them about. Their problem, not mine. I still
work with J2EE 1.4 systems more often than Java EE 5, for sure.

AHS
From: Lew on 7 Feb 2010 22:14
Roedy Green wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:11:35 GMT, Arved Sandstrom
> <dcest61(a)hotmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
> said :
>
>> Why does the technical
>> ability of your audience dictate software versions?
>
> Imagine trying to explain to your mother that she needed to upgrade
> her Java. Even if you gave keystroke by keystroke instructions, it
> would be like asking her to skydive. It would just terrify her.

Hey! Leave my mother out of this, you!

FWIW, my mother is smarter that you describe. Maybe she's smarter than your
mother.

--
Lew
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