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From: David Mark on 19 Jul 2010 18:40 On Jul 19, 4:34 pm, Kenneth Tilton <kentil...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > David Mark wrote: > > On Jul 19, 1:41 pm, Kenneth Tilton <kentil...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> David Mark wrote: > >>> On Jul 18, 6:53 pm, Kenneth Tilton <kentil...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> And these pipe dreams come at a price that is > >>>>> prohibitive (as evidenced by your recent "train wreck" example). > >>>> It's kinda sad when someone of your supposed intellect and expertise > >>>> tries a cheap shot like that. A moment of silence for your self-respect. > >>> You are the one who labeled it a "train wreck", remember? I'm just > >>> pointing out the irony that you seem to have been emboldened by the > >>> experience. > >> Yeah, I did, in reference to the ongoing development on my end. > > > Yes. Seems appropriate. > > >> So it's > >> a cheap shot to present that as qooxdoo being a problem, given that I > >> was at the same time raving about qooxdoo (and linking to non-rave > >> experiences with other JS libraries). > > > Except that it's been well-established that qooxdoo was the root of > > your woes. Your "ravings" notwithstanding. > > Well so much for giving people the benefit of the doubt. :) So much for assuming you can understand reason. :( > > I'll prove you wrong when I have my next release ready and need an > excuse to post again. ISTM you are never short of excuses.
From: Kenneth Tilton on 19 Jul 2010 21:09 David Mark wrote: > On Jul 19, 4:34 pm, Kenneth Tilton <kentil...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I'll prove you wrong when I have my next release ready and need an >> excuse to post again. > > ISTM you are never short of excuses. Don't sell yourself short: you are the wind beneath my spam. kt -- http://www.stuckonalgebra.com "The best Algebra tutorial program I have seen... in a class by itself." Macworld
From: Kenneth Tilton on 20 Jul 2010 14:50 Jukka Lahtinen wrote: > Kenneth Tilton <kentilton(a)gmail.com> writes: >> Tim Streater wrote: >>> Kenneth Tilton <kentilton(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Tim Streater wrote: >>>>> Kenneth Tilton <kentilton(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> experience Algebra: http://teamalgebra.com/ > >>>>> 2) What's with all the keys with nothing on them in the typing >>>> tutorial? > >>>> buttons. Or it could be something to do with you likely not having >>>> jsMath fonts installed. > >>> Whatever they may be :-) > >> http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/download/jsMath-fonts.html >> Sposed to be faster/prettier with those installed. > > Don't expect everybody to have every possible font installed. > Whenever a site needs some specific font, it should say so on the front > page and provide a download link. > Right. I said "Sposed to be" deliberately: looks good and goes fast without them. Agreed: adding "link to fonts for serious users" to do list, but I am working under the assumption that users will not have the fonts installed. kt -- http://www.stuckonalgebra.com "The best Algebra tutorial program I have seen... in a class by itself." Macworld
From: Kenneth Tilton on 20 Jul 2010 17:44 Bad news: Qooxdoo/Lisp looking better/faster all the time: http://teamalgebra.com/ 1. Registering can be ignored for now. It will be needed to do Missions, but that's not ready yet. Recovering login does not work yet (forgot to remove that option). 2. Should load faster. Curious how folks far from US east coast do. 3. If you do register, your info will be stored using AllegroGraph! 4. qooxdoo continues to rock, as does qooxlisp. I could file a bug or rfe against qooxdoo every four hours, but so far it's superficial stuff easily worked around at the cost of some UI elegance. (You'll laugh if you try tabbing through the fields of the registration form. 5. Enjoy. And tell your Algebra teacher friends I am looking for local schools interested in being guinea pigs. kt -- http://www.stuckonalgebra.com "The best Algebra tutorial program I have seen... in a class by itself." Macworld
From: David Mark on 20 Jul 2010 18:33
On Jul 20, 5:44 pm, Kenneth Tilton <kentil...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Bad news: Qooxdoo/Lisp looking better/faster all the time: Bad news for whom? > > http://teamalgebra.com/ The initial script it downloads is still over one *million* bytes. Oddly enough, it seems to go back to the server constantly during user interaction. > > 1. Registering can be ignored for now. No worries there. :) > It will be needed to do Missions, > but that's not ready yet. Recovering login does not work yet (forgot to > remove that option). > > 2. Should load faster. Curious how folks far from US east coast do. I'm near there and have a fairly speedy broadband connection, yet it took several seconds to progress past the white screen stage. > > 3. If you do register, your info will be stored using AllegroGraph! Great. What the hell is that? > > 4. qooxdoo continues to rock, as does qooxlisp. Groan. You misspelled suck. > I could file a bug or > rfe against qooxdoo every four hours, but so far it's superficial stuff > easily worked around at the cost of some UI elegance. (You'll laugh if > you try tabbing through the fields of the registration form. Or cry perhaps. > > 5. Enjoy. And tell your Algebra teacher friends I am looking for local > schools interested in being guinea pigs. > If you do, they likely won't remain friends. :( It's interesting that qooxdoo eschewed the browsers' built-in scrolling mechanisms and tried to build the same functionality with script. They failed miserably as I can't scroll by clicking the mousewheel and then moving the mouse. Furthermore, resizing the window to the point where the tabs' content overflows does not produce any scroll bars, so basic usability is ruined. And why? Do you think those gray-ish scroll bars are more aesthetically pleasing than those provided by the browsers? I don't. Were you concerned they would clash with your all-gray color scheme? :) And do you really think that any of this mess will be accessible to handicapped students? It's ironic that your overweight application is all tabs and (fake) form controls. FYI there is nothing to creating a "tabstrip" widget and real form controls are infinitely preferable to your washed out looking phonies. Why do you think your keyboard navigation is such a mess? Zooming in eventually displays some sort of scrolling interface for the tabs, but not the content. This is backwards. Widgets should not have any need to respond to changes in the zoom factor, but the page content should certainly be able to be scrolled (which it would automatically if you hadn't used an ill- advised "layout" script instead of HTML). Also that picture on the "Community" tab (which does nothing) looks like Big Boy after a crash diet and a week-long bender. He appears to be pan-handling too. On the "Notebook" tab (also bereft of meaningful content), he appears to have sobered up and snapped back into his normal pose, but it seems he lost his giant hamburger. :) http://melindaschwakhofer.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/bigboy.jpg I suppose you are trolling for feedback. My message, which you should pass along to the qooxdoo people is: what's wrong with you? |