From: Woody on
I finally got rid of everything that was too pressing and got back to
the mac mini. I backed up etc, var, subversion and stuff from user
accounts into tgz files and copied it to the pc (it wouldn't write to a
16gb usb stick) and rebooted from the cd. When that was done I ran the
10.5.8 updated (pre-downloaded). When it got back it occured to me I had
no idea how to do the dns, so downloaded webmin and a little faff later,
copied and pasted my old files from the etc archive and had a fully
working dns. Then I used the mail setup tool
<http://cutedgesystems.com/software/MailServeForLeopard/> recommended
here and that was all running too.
Tonight I can put tomcat, apache http, php & mysql and all done. I
suppose the calendar server could be good too.

This was just so much faster than setting up the various linuxes!
From: T i m on
On 27 Mar 2010 19:40:09 GMT, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote:

>I finally got rid of everything that was too pressing and got back to
>the mac mini. I backed up etc, var, subversion and stuff from user
>accounts into tgz files and copied it to the pc (it wouldn't write to a
>16gb usb stick) and rebooted from the cd. When that was done I ran the
>10.5.8 updated (pre-downloaded). When it got back it occured to me I had
>no idea how to do the dns, so downloaded webmin and a little faff later,
>copied and pasted my old files from the etc archive and had a fully
>working dns. Then I used the mail setup tool
><http://cutedgesystems.com/software/MailServeForLeopard/> recommended
>here and that was all running too.
>Tonight I can put tomcat, apache http, php & mysql and all done. I
>suppose the calendar server could be good too.
>
>This was just so much faster than setting up the various linuxes!

Compared with partly cheating with existing files and using a non free
/ proprietary OS designed for your hardware you mean? ;-)

I bet there are people out there who could have done it as quickly
with Linux (but where are they when it leaves me all confused and
frustrated).

Cheers, T i m
From: Woody on
T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:

> On 27 Mar 2010 19:40:09 GMT, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >I finally got rid of everything that was too pressing and got back to
> >the mac mini. I backed up etc, var, subversion and stuff from user
> >accounts into tgz files and copied it to the pc (it wouldn't write to a
> >16gb usb stick) and rebooted from the cd. When that was done I ran the
> >10.5.8 updated (pre-downloaded). When it got back it occured to me I had
> >no idea how to do the dns, so downloaded webmin and a little faff later,
> >copied and pasted my old files from the etc archive and had a fully
> >working dns. Then I used the mail setup tool
> ><http://cutedgesystems.com/software/MailServeForLeopard/> recommended
> >here and that was all running too.
> >Tonight I can put tomcat, apache http, php & mysql and all done. I
> >suppose the calendar server could be good too.
> >
> >This was just so much faster than setting up the various linuxes!
>
> Compared with partly cheating with existing files and using a non free
> / proprietary OS designed for your hardware you mean? ;-)

Yes.

Well, compared to me putting debian on this machine, yes.

> I bet there are people out there who could have done it as quickly
> with Linux (but where are they when it leaves me all confused and
> frustrated).

I am sure there are people who could have done it as quickly with linux.
I would have probably done it faster with other linuxes (back on the old
days it was a dell server with redhat on it, and that was very easy)
except I didn't think I had that option (turned out I did, but not
enough skill at guessing what the web designer had in mind about my
downloads!)

The DNS setup is identical to had it been linux as I used webmin, which
is what I would have done on linux (what I did do in linux).
In fact all the software I used here and I will be using is the same on
linux, it is just the setting up that is easier in places.

--
Woody

www.alienrat.com
From: T i m on
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:51:36 +0000, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody)
wrote:

<snip>
>
>I am sure there are people who could have done it as quickly with linux.
>I would have probably done it faster with other linuxes (back on the old
>days it was a dell server with redhat on it, and that was very easy)
>except I didn't think I had that option (turned out I did, but not
>enough skill at guessing what the web designer had in mind about my
>downloads!)

k.
>
>The DNS setup is identical to had it been linux as I used webmin, which
>is what I would have done on linux (what I did do in linux).

I installed the Ubuntu server recently then realised I could do
nothing with it without some sort of GUI desktop, so installed GNOME
(reminiscent of Windows 3.1 on top of DOS <g>), only to then find the
web-admin thing.

>In fact all the software I used here and I will be using is the same on
>linux, it is just the setting up that is easier in places.

K.

Glad you got summat back up and working easily though.

T i m

From: chris on
On 27/03/10 22:31, T i m wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:51:36 +0000, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody)
> wrote:
>> The DNS setup is identical to had it been linux as I used webmin, which
>> is what I would have done on linux (what I did do in linux).
>
> I installed the Ubuntu server recently then realised I could do
> nothing with it without some sort of GUI desktop, so installed GNOME
> (reminiscent of Windows 3.1 on top of DOS<g>), only to then find the
> web-admin thing.

Well, no surprise there. The 'server' version is specifically for
running headless servers i.e. X/Gnome/KDE are superfluous.

Unless you know what you're doing, server editions of Ubuntu are no
better than the std desktop version. You have access to exactly the same
software in either, the just come with a different subset by default...