From: dagmargoodboat on
On Apr 30, 8:55 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote:
> On Apr 29, 10:51 pm, dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> > Joel Koltner wrote:
> > > dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com wrote:

> > I disagree.  There is nothing in the bill to reduce the cost or price
> > of medical care or medical insurance, there are only additional
> > requirements that perforce must increase both cost and price of care,
> > and insurance.  Further, ordinary policies must now subsidize both
> > lower-income types, and the 10-15% previously uninsured.
>
> > So, the cost must reflect at least the same number of payers, paying
> > for 10% more people, plus more coverage for more conditions.  Hence
> > the estimates of premiums rising 15-17%, initially.
>
> This ignore the fact that US medical costs per head are half again
> higher than the - superior - German and French equivalents largely
> because US medical insurance administration costs are extravagantly
> high,\.

No, they aren't, and no, that isn't why we spend more. We also spend
more on ice-cream than Nigerians--does that mean our ice-cream system
is broken, in need of nationalizing?

> One of the effects of the new bill is to make it more difficult to for
> the medical insurance industry to save money by withdrawing cover from
> sick patients.

That, actually, is already illegal. Look it up. It does happen
occasionally if the insurance was gotten by lying.

It's also quite rare--not enough to explain any huge amount of money,
but probably significant to an industry whose profit margin is just 2-
odd percent.

The President went about touting a supposed instance of a cancer
patient losing their coverage over previous acne. False. Yet he
keeps touting it.

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> > The most reasonable strategy is not to buy insurance until you need
> > it; the penalties for a student without any income will be minimal,
> > AFAICT (that part is particularly convoluted--I'm still unraveling
> > it).
>
> > > > Here's how you /really/ improve health, and it has nothing to do with
> > > > government anything--
> > > >http://www.aolnews.com/health/article/study-mortality-risk-spikes-for...
>
> > > Basically: Don't smoke, eat your fruits & veggies, exercise, and don't drink
> > > too much.
>
> > Do all four and, on average, you'll add ten+ years to your life.
>
> > That's a zillion times more powerful than all of Obamacare's mumbo
> > jumbo, at the cost of no one's freedom or treasure, and saves a
> > fortune on medical care, all without government.  In fact, all of
> > these things are completely beyond government's power to give us, yet
> > we're poised to spend trillions trying.
>
> > The most powerful, most effective things are those we do ourselves.
>
> So I did all of those things, and still got a calcified aortic valve
> that eventually needed to be replaced. Do-it-yourself open heart
> surgery isn't all that practical.

I took a pill once, and it didn't help me. Therefore we shouldn't
take pills?

> I had about seven years when I know that the aortic valve was getting
> worse and would eventually need to be replaced. This isn't typical of
> heart problems - as my youngest brother tells me, in 30% of cases, the
> first sign of heart disease is sudden death.

Death is even more common a 1rst symptom than that, but that's for
clogged arteries. Calcified valves fail slowly.

> My father and my younger brother were in the lucky 70%, and got pain
> in the chest before the plaque in their coronary arteries broke loose
> and actually completely blocked the blood supply to part of the heart.
> My younger brother went from pain in the chest to a quadruple by=pass
> in one week.

Good for him. My dad had the best health care in the world, was
himself a fine physician, but even so died of undiagnosed coronary
artery disease. (Slow clogging in his case, different from your
family's sudden myocardial infarctions (plaque-spawned blood clots.)

He was 65. Dad did about half the right stuff for a third of his
life. His dad? Also died suddenly. Age? 54. So, Dad bought
himself more than a decade. I wish it were more.


> By virtue of my more healthier life-style, I've got a lot less plaque
> in my coronary arteries - one does seem to be 30% blocked, but surgeon
> who replaced my aortic valve didn't see any necessity to do anything
> about it, apart from making sure that I was on a cholesterol-lowering
> drug.

30% is minimal, and it took you a lifetime to accumulate that.
Hopefully you're golden.

In-theater for his angiography, I spotted a pal's blockage real-time
on the fluoroscope-thing--that 3.5mm vessel was narrowed to barely
over a hair's width, maybe 5% flow by volume, tops. He got bypassed.
For free, basically, if that matters.

Me? Vegetarians have 10% the heart risk of the general population.
My staying fit and lean, etc. lowers it even more. And I've been
doing these for a long time, from an early age.

Heart disease is America's #1 killer, and everyone's got to die of
something, but I won't die of that.

James Arthur