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From: bob urz on 5 Feb 2010 11:09 http://www.dealerscope.com/article/four-other-states-pursuing-energy-restrictions-similar-those-passed-california/1?sponsor=newsletter/today bob
From: William Sommerwerck on 5 Feb 2010 11:21 From a practical point of view, I'm not sure this makes much sense. Most (but not all) electronic products are fairly energy-efficient. Furthermore, the biggest single "use" of electricity in a home is waste -- not turning things off when they aren't being used. Mandating lower power consumption for electronic devices will have only a small effect on usage. It would make more sense to outlaw incandescent lamps.
From: William R. Walsh on 5 Feb 2010 11:58 Hi! > It would make more sense to outlaw incandescent lamps. Except it wouldn't. There are many applications where CFLs will not work well or at all...and my "dim bulb tester" is one of those. The way things are going, I may have to buy a lifetime supply of incandescent bulbs for it, and hope that I got enough. Fridge, oven and quite possibly microwave oven bulbs are another, along with chandeliers. My oven light went out recently, and I really wondered about putting a CFL in there--but it occured to me that potentially toxic decomposition of the bulb's casing could occur in that kind of heat, and it would do the electronics no good at all. William
From: Jim Yanik on 5 Feb 2010 11:58 "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer(a)comcast.net> wrote in news:hkhghl$qbk$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > From a practical point of view, I'm not sure this makes much sense. > > Most (but not all) electronic products are fairly energy-efficient. > Furthermore, the biggest single "use" of electricity in a home is > waste -- not turning things off when they aren't being used. Mandating > lower power consumption for electronic devices will have only a small > effect on usage. > > It would make more sense to outlaw incandescent lamps. actually,that's something in which gov't has no business being involved. (one of many....) If consumers want to use incandescents,it's their business,not the gov'ts. Who wants government to tell them how to live? You want that,MOVE somewhere else. besides,in some apps,incandescents are the best choice. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com
From: D Yuniskis on 5 Feb 2010 12:13
Hi William, William Sommerwerck wrote: > From a practical point of view, I'm not sure this makes much sense. > > Most (but not all) electronic products are fairly energy-efficient. > Furthermore, the biggest single "use" of electricity in a home is waste -- > not turning things off when they aren't being used. Mandating lower power I'm not sure of that. I think many devices can't *conveniently* be turned off. E.g., all these devices with their own wall warts, TV's, computers and LCD's that "pretend" to be sleeping (but still use a fair bit of power). Granted, there is progress made towards cutting this consumption but there are still a lot of little "leaches" sucking up power that needn't. E.g., why can't switchmode wall warts be designed to shut down (completely) until they sense some miniscule demand from the load? Of course, old fashioned (xformer) wall warts just act as small heaters even when they are supplying no load. I've had to install power switches in many of my devices just because the manufacturer opted to economize by *not* doing so ("Oh, it goes into low power mode when not in use". "Really? And how does that differ from NO POWER mode?"). Do I *really* need my network switch to run 24/7 when I am asleep or away from the computer for much of that time? > consumption for electronic devices will have only a small effect on usage. I think the more significant issue is change of mindset. If people start thinking about the little things, they will eventually discover the big things. :> E.g., 30 years ago, no one recycled anything. Now, everyone on my street puts out a "trash barrel" full of recyclables as often as they put out the trash. (though how effective this effort actually is can be debated :< ) I think we all get used to wasting energy and think nothing of it. Whether its leaving the TV on while you are in another room ("Oh, I'm still *listening* to it") or replacing your two year old computer because it is *suddenly* "way too slow" (gee, I guess there must have been a distortion in space-time since it was "wicked fast" TWO YEARS AGO! :> ) I still lament the loss of the heated butter compartment in the refrigerator! :< > It would make more sense to outlaw incandescent lamps. Has anyone done a study to determine the TCO of CF's vs. incandescent? Including manufacturing and disposal costs? Our experience with them has been abysmal -- often less than a year or two (I think we have replaced 5 already). Granted, during operation, they use less energy. But, if replacements have to be produced more often, then the savings aren't what they seem (even if the replacement costs the customer "nothing") |