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From: Georgios Petasis on 7 Jul 2010 08:17 στις 7/7/2010 12:34, O/H Igor Novikov έγραψε: > On 8 июн, 18:41, Georgios Petasis<peta...(a)iit.demokritos.gr> wrote: >> στις 8/6/2010 17:37, O/H Christian Rapp έγραψε: >> >> >> >>> @George >> >>> I'am sorry bute I don't think tilegtk/tileqt is really usable. Still >>> too many bugs and optical glitches. It is good work but not finished >>> and we would need native look& feel on Gtk / Qt. >> >>> Regards >> >> I see that this rumor circulates c.l.t, but I am not sure it is true. >> As a user, you may see some visual glitches in tileqt for example, and >> it is easy to attribute them as tileQt bugs. In reality these may be due >> to limitations of the Qt engine, or even bugs in the Qt style >> themselves. And these cannot be fixed. Just use a theme that is correct :-) >> >> The GTK themes are more primitive, and thus easier to support. But the >> configuration system of gtk is a mess. Even if there are some visual >> glitches there (of course I have not tested all themes), it is still >> your best bet right now. >> >> For me, bugs are when tileqt/tilegtk crash and terminate your >> application. Visual differences with native apps are not bugs, but >> adjustments that are theme specific, that can be fixed from the Tcl >> level. Lot's of theme declare wrong element dimensions, which are fixed >> by qt or gtk due to other reasons. In ttk themes these fixes cannot be >> applied automatically. >> >> And finally, there is always the option to try and use them, and report >> bugs. But please don't report bugs on forked projects: in such a case >> report the bugs into the authors of the forked projects directly :-) >> >> George > > Sorry George, can you explain why you used Qt classes inside tilegtk? > > Regards, > > Igor Novikov > sK1 Project > http://sk1project.org I am not sure I use Qt classes in tilegtk. Can you please point me a place in the sources that I do use Qt? George
From: Georgios Petasis on 7 Jul 2010 08:21 στις 7/7/2010 12:34, O/H Igor Novikov έγραψε: > On 8 июн, 18:41, Georgios Petasis<peta...(a)iit.demokritos.gr> wrote: >> στις 8/6/2010 17:37, O/H Christian Rapp έγραψε: >> >> >> >>> @George >> >>> I'am sorry bute I don't think tilegtk/tileqt is really usable. Still >>> too many bugs and optical glitches. It is good work but not finished >>> and we would need native look& feel on Gtk / Qt. >> >>> Regards >> >> I see that this rumor circulates c.l.t, but I am not sure it is true. >> As a user, you may see some visual glitches in tileqt for example, and >> it is easy to attribute them as tileQt bugs. In reality these may be due >> to limitations of the Qt engine, or even bugs in the Qt style >> themselves. And these cannot be fixed. Just use a theme that is correct :-) >> >> The GTK themes are more primitive, and thus easier to support. But the >> configuration system of gtk is a mess. Even if there are some visual >> glitches there (of course I have not tested all themes), it is still >> your best bet right now. >> >> For me, bugs are when tileqt/tilegtk crash and terminate your >> application. Visual differences with native apps are not bugs, but >> adjustments that are theme specific, that can be fixed from the Tcl >> level. Lot's of theme declare wrong element dimensions, which are fixed >> by qt or gtk due to other reasons. In ttk themes these fixes cannot be >> applied automatically. >> >> And finally, there is always the option to try and use them, and report >> bugs. But please don't report bugs on forked projects: in such a case >> report the bugs into the authors of the forked projects directly :-) >> >> George > > Sorry George, can you explain why you used Qt classes inside tilegtk? > > Regards, > > Igor Novikov > sK1 Project > http://sk1project.org Your application has a very professional look. Do you use tileqt/tilegtk in it? If yes, I would be very interested to hear problems you may have with them, or features you may want :-) George
From: Igor Novikov on 7 Jul 2010 10:11 On 7 иÑл, 15:17, Georgios Petasis <peta...(a)iit.demokritos.gr> wrote: > ÏÏÎ¹Ï 7/7/2010 12:34, O/H Igor Novikov ÎγÏαÏε: > > > > > On 8 иÑн, 18:41, Georgios Petasis<peta...(a)iit.demokritos..gr>  wrote: > >> ÏÏÎ¹Ï 8/6/2010 17:37, O/H Christian Rapp ÎγÏαÏε: > > >>> @George > > >>> I'am sorry bute I don't think tilegtk/tileqt is really usable. Still > >>> too many bugs and optical glitches. It is good work but not finished > >>> and we would need native look&   feel on Gtk / Qt. > > >>> Regards > > >> I see that this rumor circulates c.l.t, but I am not sure it is true. > >> As a user, you may see some visual glitches in tileqt for example, and > >> it is easy to attribute them as tileQt bugs. In reality these may be due > >> to limitations of the Qt engine, or even bugs in the Qt style > >> themselves. And these cannot be fixed. Just use a theme that is correct :-) > > >> The GTK themes are more primitive, and thus easier to support. But the > >> configuration system of gtk is a mess. Even if there are some visual > >> glitches there (of course I have not tested all themes), it is still > >> your best bet right now. > > >> For me, bugs are when tileqt/tilegtk crash and terminate your > >> application. Visual differences with native apps are not bugs, but > >> adjustments that are theme specific, that can be fixed from the Tcl > >> level. Lot's of theme declare wrong element dimensions, which are fixed > >> by qt or gtk due to other reasons. In ttk themes these fixes cannot be > >> applied automatically. > > >> And finally, there is always the option to try and use them, and report > >> bugs. But please don't report bugs on forked projects: in such a case > >> report the bugs into the authors of the forked projects directly :-) > > >> George > > > Sorry George, can you explain why you used Qt classes inside tilegtk? > > > Regards, > > > Igor Novikov > > sK1 Project > >http://sk1project.org > > I am not sure I use Qt classes in tilegtk. Can you please point me a > place in the sources that I do use Qt? > > George For example in tileGtk_Separator.cpp in function SeparatorElementDraw there are references on QPixmap, QPainter, QStyle, QRect etc. And not only in this file. The project cannot be compiled under Ubuntu without Qt installed. Igor
From: Igor Novikov on 7 Jul 2010 10:19 On 7 иÑл, 15:21, Georgios Petasis <peta...(a)iit.demokritos.gr> wrote: > ÏÏÎ¹Ï 7/7/2010 12:34, O/H Igor Novikov ÎγÏαÏε: > > > > > On 8 иÑн, 18:41, Georgios Petasis<peta...(a)iit.demokritos..gr>  wrote: > >> ÏÏÎ¹Ï 8/6/2010 17:37, O/H Christian Rapp ÎγÏαÏε: > > >>> @George > > >>> I'am sorry bute I don't think tilegtk/tileqt is really usable. Still > >>> too many bugs and optical glitches. It is good work but not finished > >>> and we would need native look&   feel on Gtk / Qt. > > >>> Regards > > >> I see that this rumor circulates c.l.t, but I am not sure it is true. > >> As a user, you may see some visual glitches in tileqt for example, and > >> it is easy to attribute them as tileQt bugs. In reality these may be due > >> to limitations of the Qt engine, or even bugs in the Qt style > >> themselves. And these cannot be fixed. Just use a theme that is correct :-) > > >> The GTK themes are more primitive, and thus easier to support. But the > >> configuration system of gtk is a mess. Even if there are some visual > >> glitches there (of course I have not tested all themes), it is still > >> your best bet right now. > > >> For me, bugs are when tileqt/tilegtk crash and terminate your > >> application. Visual differences with native apps are not bugs, but > >> adjustments that are theme specific, that can be fixed from the Tcl > >> level. Lot's of theme declare wrong element dimensions, which are fixed > >> by qt or gtk due to other reasons. In ttk themes these fixes cannot be > >> applied automatically. > > >> And finally, there is always the option to try and use them, and report > >> bugs. But please don't report bugs on forked projects: in such a case > >> report the bugs into the authors of the forked projects directly :-) > > >> George > > > Sorry George, can you explain why you used Qt classes inside tilegtk? > > > Regards, > > > Igor Novikov > > sK1 Project > >http://sk1project.org > > Your application has a very professional look. Do you use tileqt/tilegtk > in it? > If yes, I would be very interested to hear problems you may have with > them, or features you may want :-) > > George sK1 uses python driven ttk bitmap theme. Actually we need native theme like tilegtk but it seems it's impossible to compile native theme for conventional tcl/tk 8.5.x Or may be you have found a way? As I googled your answers in mail lists was rather negative concerning this issue. Regards, Igor
From: Georgios Petasis on 7 Jul 2010 17:17
στις 7/7/2010 17:11, O/H Igor Novikov έγραψε: > On 7 июл, 15:17, Georgios Petasis<peta...(a)iit.demokritos.gr> wrote: >> στις 7/7/2010 12:34, O/H Igor Novikov έγραψε: >> >> >> >>> On 8 июн, 18:41, Georgios Petasis<peta...(a)iit.demokritos.gr> wrote: >>>> στις 8/6/2010 17:37, O/H Christian Rapp έγραψε: >> >>>>> @George >> >>>>> I'am sorry bute I don't think tilegtk/tileqt is really usable. Still >>>>> too many bugs and optical glitches. It is good work but not finished >>>>> and we would need native look& feel on Gtk / Qt. >> >>>>> Regards >> >>>> I see that this rumor circulates c.l.t, but I am not sure it is true. >>>> As a user, you may see some visual glitches in tileqt for example, and >>>> it is easy to attribute them as tileQt bugs. In reality these may be due >>>> to limitations of the Qt engine, or even bugs in the Qt style >>>> themselves. And these cannot be fixed. Just use a theme that is correct :-) >> >>>> The GTK themes are more primitive, and thus easier to support. But the >>>> configuration system of gtk is a mess. Even if there are some visual >>>> glitches there (of course I have not tested all themes), it is still >>>> your best bet right now. >> >>>> For me, bugs are when tileqt/tilegtk crash and terminate your >>>> application. Visual differences with native apps are not bugs, but >>>> adjustments that are theme specific, that can be fixed from the Tcl >>>> level. Lot's of theme declare wrong element dimensions, which are fixed >>>> by qt or gtk due to other reasons. In ttk themes these fixes cannot be >>>> applied automatically. >> >>>> And finally, there is always the option to try and use them, and report >>>> bugs. But please don't report bugs on forked projects: in such a case >>>> report the bugs into the authors of the forked projects directly :-) >> >>>> George >> >>> Sorry George, can you explain why you used Qt classes inside tilegtk? >> >>> Regards, >> >>> Igor Novikov >>> sK1 Project >>> http://sk1project.org >> >> I am not sure I use Qt classes in tilegtk. Can you please point me a >> place in the sources that I do use Qt? >> >> George > > For example in tileGtk_Separator.cpp in function SeparatorElementDraw > there are references on QPixmap, QPainter, QStyle, QRect etc. And not > only in this file. The project cannot be compiled under Ubuntu without > Qt installed. > > Igor Yes, you are right. I will fix this, as I haven't noticed that there were remains (as I always have Qt in my systems). George |