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From: Woody on 1 Jul 2010 05:07 Sak Wathanasin <sw(a)nan.co.uk> wrote: > On 1 July, 09:45, Woody <use...(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: >> Chris Ridd <chrisr...(a)mac.com> wrote: >>> On 2010-07-01 09:06:32 +0100, Woody said: >> >>>> Or similar. >>>>> I want some kind of an outliner for the iPad, or maybe a working >>>>> mind >>>> map thing. >>>>> Currently this is for a website I am putting together in a hurry, > > > > > so >>>>> I >>>> can list and check off what is left to do. >>>> There are hundreds of them out there, but no way of telling what is >>>> good. I don't mind paying if it works well. It doesn't have to do >>>> much, >>>> but what it does do has to be pretty obvious. >> >>> I'd have thought something like OmniFocus or Things would do. >>> Obviously they're not outliners, but they support hierarchical check >>> lists. >> >> Omnifocus doesn't seem to have an iPad version yet, and things review > > on >> the AppStore are far less than glowing, and seem to imply you need > > the >> desktop version to do certain things. For £12 I would expect a > > complete >> standalone package really! > > There's a Kanban app but unfortunately, there's no iPad version. > Cards/ > stickies on walls is what we're using on the current project. They're > into kanban in a big way here... I didn't know what that was, so I googled. One of the first words I saw was 'lean' so ran screaming. I am sure the lean system is great but having experience of it being the big thing here for people below management [1] it seems a great way of complicating the obvious 1: yes, I know it cant work unless everyone does it, but management are there to impose systems on others, not to do them themselves, aren't they? -- Woody
From: Woody on 1 Jul 2010 06:12 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: Got the excitingly entitled 'outliner' from carbonfin. Seems ok at first play, just under £3. -- Woody
From: Sak Wathanasin on 1 Jul 2010 06:17 On 1 July, 10:07, Woody <use...(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > I didn't know what that was, so I googled. One of the first words I saw > was 'lean' so ran screaming. I am sure the lean system is great but > having experience of it being the big thing here for people below > management [1] it seems a great way of complicating the obvious I'm not sure what context you've seen "lean" in, but if it means "no frills or expensive software", I'm all for it. Essentially, instead of a huge, complicated project management system, they stick "to do" cards on a wall under different categories (eg "dev", "integration", "QA" &c), stick an icon for whoever's working on the task. The cards then move along or get taken off as tasks are completed. The cards are colour-coded ("would be nice", "normal", "urgent", "defects" &c). Of all the various systems I've used (or been forced to use), this one actually seems to work, in that we're hitting release dates, and the project mgrs can see what's holding up progress and so on. All for the cost of some index cards, post-it pads and blu-tack. Comes from Japanese car mfrs apparently - they use it to keep their production lines running smoothly.
From: Woody on 1 Jul 2010 07:17 Sak Wathanasin <sw(a)nan.co.uk> wrote: > On 1 July, 10:07, Woody <use...(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > >> I didn't know what that was, so I googled. One of the first words I > > saw >> was 'lean' so ran screaming. I am sure the lean system is great but >> having experience of it being the big thing here for people below >> management [1] it seems a great way of complicating the obvious > > I'm not sure what context you've seen "lean" in, but if it means "no > frills or expensive software", I'm all for it. Yes, if it was just that, and with a reasonable sized team without other constraints, I am for it > Essentially, instead of > a huge, complicated project management system, they stick "to do" > cards on a wall under different categories (eg "dev", "integration", > "QA" &c), stick an icon for whoever's working on the task. The cards > then move along or get taken off as tasks are completed. The cards are > colour-coded ("would be nice", "normal", "urgent", "defects" &c). > > Of all the various systems I've used (or been forced to use), this one > actually seems to work, in that we're hitting release dates, and the > project mgrs can see what's holding up progress and so on. All for the > cost of some index cards, post-it pads and blu-tack. Unfortunately, we have 10s of different and competing projects, some that integrate and some that don't. And a management that don't apply it to themselves. Anyway, it is on the wane here I think > Comes from > Japanese car mfrs apparently - they use it to keep their production > lines running smoothly. Toyota specifically, which at the time was an indication as to how good it was as they had never made a loss, that was a few losses ago -- Woody
From: Trooper on 1 Jul 2010 08:01 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > Sak Wathanasin <sw(a)nan.co.uk> wrote: > > On 1 July, 10:07, Woody <use...(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> I didn't know what that was, so I googled. One of the first words I > > > saw > >> was 'lean' so ran screaming. I am sure the lean system is great but > >> having experience of it being the big thing here for people below > >> management [1] it seems a great way of complicating the obvious > > > > I'm not sure what context you've seen "lean" in, but if it means "no > > frills or expensive software", I'm all for it. > > Yes, if it was just that, and with a reasonable sized team without other > constraints, I am for it > > > Essentially, instead of > > a huge, complicated project management system, they stick "to do" > > cards on a wall under different categories (eg "dev", "integration", > > "QA" &c), stick an icon for whoever's working on the task. The cards > > then move along or get taken off as tasks are completed. The cards are > > colour-coded ("would be nice", "normal", "urgent", "defects" &c). > > > > Of all the various systems I've used (or been forced to use), this one > > actually seems to work, in that we're hitting release dates, and the > > project mgrs can see what's holding up progress and so on. All for the > > cost of some index cards, post-it pads and blu-tack. > > Unfortunately, we have 10s of different and competing projects, some > that integrate and some that don't. And a management that don't apply it > to themselves. Anyway, it is on the wane here I think > > > > Comes from > > Japanese car mfrs apparently - they use it to keep their production > > lines running smoothly. > > Toyota specifically, which at the time was an indication as to how good > it was as they had never made a loss, that was a few losses ago Not that it matters, but you are getting things a tad confused :) Lean was certainly the Toyota methodology, but Lean is all about eliminating waste in a project, essentially. All the card wall, index card stuff etc... is just the usual Agile development practices that multiple Agile methodoligies recommend, but isn't particulary linked to any of them. You could say that Card Walls are a Scrum thing, as that was one of the first methodologies to recommend them, but whether you do Scrum, Lean, Kanban, DSDM, Crystal, XP etc... they all have certain things in common, and Card Walls are usually one of those things. One thing is certain it's very easy to do something and call it Lean, or Agile, but very few places actually know how to do it well and make it a success... T.
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