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From: mkm on 5 Jun 2010 12:36 5 piece local cover band At smaller places where we provide PA, bass player (me) runs sound from stage. Right now only outboard unit is reverb on lead singer. Audience last night thought it sounded good. Not experienced on eq, compressor, gates, etc. Current equipment A&H Mixwiz3 to 2 QSC Ksubs and 2 QSC K12s, Yamaha SPX990. Im thinking about the Presonus studio live. Band feels we cant afford to pay sound engineer at the smaller places we provide PA. The Studio Live saves scenes and has presets for various instruments and vocals using internal gates, compressors, limiters etc. With the Studio Live we could pay sound engineer to set up and save the scene for future use. We play some smaller places where we have a band open for us. (I know, a $300 gig with an opening act, but it happens where we play and the opener plays for free 1 set for the exposure but we did this and were hired as the paid main band at every place we opened for free.) With the Studio Live we could let the opener mix themselves and be able to easily reset to our scene. The firewire recording output is a plus but not essential. ( I have an HD24) Any thoughts on the Presonus Studio Live vs the A&H Mixwiz3 for reliability, ease of use,etc would be appreciated. Any sound engineers in the Shrewsbury/York PA area? Thanks Mike
From: Rupert on 5 Jun 2010 16:41 On Jun 5, 9:36 am, mkm <mkmso...(a)rcn.com> wrote: > 5 piece local cover band > At smaller places where we provide PA, bass player (me) runs sound from > stage. Right now only outboard unit is reverb on lead singer. Audience > last night thought it sounded good. Not experienced on eq, compressor, > gates, etc. > > Current equipment A&H Mixwiz3 to 2 QSC Ksubs and 2 QSC K12s, Yamaha SPX990. > > Im thinking about the Presonus studio live. Band feels we cant afford to > pay sound engineer at the smaller places we provide PA. The Studio Live > saves scenes and has presets for various instruments and vocals using > internal gates, compressors, limiters etc. > > With the Studio Live we could pay sound engineer to set up and save the > scene for future use. We play some smaller places where we have a band > open for us. (I know, a $300 gig with an opening act, but it happens > where we play and the opener plays for free 1 set for the exposure but > we did this and were hired as the paid main band at every place we > opened for free.) > > With the Studio Live we could let the opener mix themselves and be able > to easily reset to our scene. The firewire recording output is a plus > but not essential. ( I have an HD24) > > Any thoughts on the Presonus Studio Live vs the A&H Mixwiz3 for > reliability, ease of use,etc would be appreciated. > > Any sound engineers in the Shrewsbury/York PA area? > > Thanks > > Mike A digital mixer is inherently never as simple to use as an analog board. As far as digital boards go, the Presonus is very simple, about as simple as it gets. Seems to be very reliable as well. Due to it's simplicity, it's also missing a lot of features you get on more advanced digital desks. I've used one on several occasions. Very easy to figure out. Whether or not it's going to be a real advantage to you is hard to say though. I generally don't advocate bands mixing themselves, scene recall or not. That said, in theory it would make things easier for you.
From: Arny Krueger on 6 Jun 2010 07:13 "Rupert" <foodsteaks(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:a3de587f-a779-41a4-8d16-8992b9abc704(a)k17g2000pro.googlegroups.com > A digital mixer is inherently never as simple to use as > an analog board. *Never* is a big word and thoughtful people are very careful about using it. Digital boards are far simpler than analog boards to use if they have been set up for an event, and all you have to do is call that preset up, in order to run the event. In portable applications, you have to be very consistent with your channel assignments and cabling to obtain this benefit. For example we do a weekly event that is vastly different from our main event. There's a saved scene for it that some high school kids call up, and run all by themselves. I also have no concerns about the kids trashing the settings for my main event while they are doing theirs. Digital consoles are also far simpler to restore to a previous configuation, if that configuration has been saved. For example I'm doing a gig this morning where we're doing a choir event with just a rhythm/strings orchestra. The scenes for it have evolved to the point where just about everything is different from our usual setup. Next week we go back to our usual configuation, and I'll just call up the last saved scene for it. I'll also argue that the virtual controls on a digital console make it easier to use than an analog console with dedicated knobs and buttons for every actual function. Old-timers who love consoles the size of a football field hate this, but to many people its a big help. The obvious competition for the Studiolive is the 01V96. If it was me spending my money, I'd go Yamaha. When comparing the two, I see the StudioLive as being dumbed down, and not necessarily all that simplified. Even though the 01V96 is a far older design, it seems to have a signficant number of advanced features that the SudioLive is missing. It also seems to be far more expandible. I don't see any explansion slots on the StudioLive. I've used up half the slots on my Yammie and I have plans for the rest. One biggie that seems to be missing from the StudioLive is input and output patching.
From: mkm on 6 Jun 2010 09:41 On 6/5/2010 4:41 PM, Rupert wrote: > > A digital mixer is inherently never as simple to use as an analog > board. As far as digital boards go, the Presonus is very simple, about > as simple as it gets. Seems to be very reliable as well. Due to it's > simplicity, it's also missing a lot of features you get on more > advanced digital desks. I've used one on several occasions. Very easy > to figure out. Whether or not it's going to be a real advantage to you > is hard to say though. I generally don't advocate bands mixing > themselves, scene recall or not. That said, in theory it would make > things easier for you. Thanks. I would prefer not to mix at all(I am the bass player)Some of the lower paying and smaller places do not have the room to use my snake and set the board up in a true mixing position. One place was so small and stage platform designed for a single karaoke act that we had to set up in front of the PA speakers. Again, "Any sound engineers in the Shrewsbury/York PA area?" Mike
From: Sean Conolly on 6 Jun 2010 12:01
"Krooburg Science" <krooburg(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:509471e1-52fe-4046-ac9d-4edbdc2fb3d7(a)g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > The Presonus is far inferior functionally compared to the 01V96. It is > also far more complex to operate. I have to dispute that point, having used both boards. The Presonus is easier to figure out, and the class A preamps sound damn good to my ears. The only reason I'd buy the Yamaha over the Presonus is price - I can pick up a used Yamaha at half the price of the Presonus. Just my opinion, Sean |