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From: NoOp on 2 Aug 2010 23:26
On 08/02/2010 03:56 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 08/01/2010 11:41 PM, Mike Scott wrote:
>> On 01/08/2010 22:21, NoOp wrote:
> ...
>>> I suspect that you'll have the same issues. 3.3 provides a similar
>>> experience (for me); seems to have a few modifications to the Print UI
>>> look& feel, but overall doesn't seem to be all that different (again,
>>> for me).
>>
>> I'm not exactly holding my breath, but it's been suggested so I'll try
>> it. Probably later this week. What puzzles me slightly is that there's
>> only the one printer there - a samsung laser running under CUPS. So "has
>> to be" (famous last words :-) ) the same driver for all applications.
>>
>
> I'd recommend posting over on the users list (both OOo users and Ubuntu
> users) to see if someone there can assist.

I wonder if this is affecting you:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/openoffice/+bug/48694
[[Upstream] [hardy] CUPS printer properties are not propagated to
OpenOffice]
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=75579
[CUPS printer property changes are not propagated to OpenOffice]

Though... again, this should most likely be addressed on the user list
rather than the discus list.




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From: Mike Scott on 5 Aug 2010 12:05
On 03/08/10 04:26, NoOp wrote:
> On 08/02/2010 03:56 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 08/01/2010 11:41 PM, Mike Scott wrote:
>>> On 01/08/2010 22:21, NoOp wrote:
>> ...
>>>> I suspect that you'll have the same issues. 3.3 provides a similar
>>>> experience (for me); seems to have a few modifications to the Print UI
>>>> look& feel, but overall doesn't seem to be all that different (again,
>>>> for me).
>>>
>>> I'm not exactly holding my breath, but it's been suggested so I'll try
>>> it. Probably later this week. What puzzles me slightly is that there's
>>> only the one printer there - a samsung laser running under CUPS. So "has
>>> to be" (famous last words :-) ) the same driver for all applications.
>>>
>>
>> I'd recommend posting over on the users list (both OOo users and Ubuntu
>> users) to see if someone there can assist.
>
> I wonder if this is affecting you:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/openoffice/+bug/48694
> [[Upstream] [hardy] CUPS printer properties are not propagated to
> OpenOffice]
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=75579
> [CUPS printer property changes are not propagated to OpenOffice]
>
> Though... again, this should most likely be addressed on the user list
> rather than the discus list.


I tried changing the printer driver from the recommended one (foomatic)
to CUPS/gutenprint (5.2.5-en, iirc). Now I get a whole pile more options
in the OOo print dialogue - a similar set afaict to gedit's offering.
The only catch is that /neither/ now offers the standard/economy toner
control.

The bugs referenced above relate to storage of printer options within
the document (a mixed blessing, imo :-) ) and go back quite a way.

I can't be the only one with this problem, surely!! But I take your
point about the users' list. Maybe I need to resubscribe and see if the
noise level has dropped lately :-}


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From: "Harold Fuchs" on 5 Aug 2010 12:46

"Mike Scott" <mike(a)scottsonline.org.uk> wrote in message
news:4C5AE15D.2050602(a)scottsonline.org.uk...
> On 03/08/10 04:26, NoOp wrote:
>> On 08/02/2010 03:56 PM, NoOp wrote:
>>> On 08/01/2010 11:41 PM, Mike Scott wrote:
>>>> On 01/08/2010 22:21, NoOp wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>> I suspect that you'll have the same issues. 3.3 provides a similar
>>>>> experience (for me); seems to have a few modifications to the Print UI
>>>>> look& feel, but overall doesn't seem to be all that different
>>>>> (again,
>>>>> for me).
>>>>
>>>> I'm not exactly holding my breath, but it's been suggested so I'll try
>>>> it. Probably later this week. What puzzles me slightly is that there's
>>>> only the one printer there - a samsung laser running under CUPS. So
>>>> "has
>>>> to be" (famous last words :-) ) the same driver for all applications.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd recommend posting over on the users list (both OOo users and Ubuntu
>>> users) to see if someone there can assist.
>>
>> I wonder if this is affecting you:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/openoffice/+bug/48694
>> [[Upstream] [hardy] CUPS printer properties are not propagated to
>> OpenOffice]
>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=75579
>> [CUPS printer property changes are not propagated to OpenOffice]
>>
>> Though... again, this should most likely be addressed on the user list
>> rather than the discus list.
>
>
> I tried changing the printer driver from the recommended one (foomatic) to
> CUPS/gutenprint (5.2.5-en, iirc). Now I get a whole pile more options in
> the OOo print dialogue - a similar set afaict to gedit's offering. The
> only catch is that /neither/ now offers the standard/economy toner
> control.
>
> The bugs referenced above relate to storage of printer options within the
> document (a mixed blessing, imo :-) ) and go back quite a way.
>
> I can't be the only one with this problem, surely!! But I take your point
> about the users' list. Maybe I need to resubscribe and see if the noise
> level has dropped lately :-}
>
>
> --
> Mike Scott

Or ask unsubscribed or, better, via Gmane.

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London, England




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From: NoOp on 5 Aug 2010 15:17
On 08/05/2010 09:05 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
....
>
> I tried changing the printer driver from the recommended one (foomatic)
> to CUPS/gutenprint (5.2.5-en, iirc). Now I get a whole pile more options
> in the OOo print dialogue - a similar set afaict to gedit's offering.
> The only catch is that /neither/ now offers the standard/economy toner
> control.

You should set up two printers (using the same printer of course); one
with the foomatic & one with the gutenprint. That way you can configure
& experiment as you wish. I have 5 different printers (color, photo,
duplex b/w, default b/w, gutenprint) for my single Canon MP750.

Set the base settings in System|Administration|Printing|Properties| and
then try in OOo to see if they match. I don't know if it's worth trying,
but some time ago the OOo printer admin utility used to be needed for
some settings. You can give it a try to see if it makes any difference.
For Ubuntu:

$ /usr/lib/openoffice/program/spadmin

For standard OOo:

$ /opt/openoffice.org3/program/spadmin


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From: Mike Scott on 6 Aug 2010 05:17
On 05/08/10 20:17, NoOp wrote:
> On 08/05/2010 09:05 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
> ...
>>
>> I tried changing the printer driver from the recommended one (foomatic)
>> to CUPS/gutenprint (5.2.5-en, iirc). Now I get a whole pile more options
>> in the OOo print dialogue - a similar set afaict to gedit's offering.
>> The only catch is that /neither/ now offers the standard/economy toner
>> control.
>
> You should set up two printers (using the same printer of course); one
> with the foomatic& one with the gutenprint. That way you can configure
> & experiment as you wish. I have 5 different printers (color, photo,
> duplex b/w, default b/w, gutenprint) for my single Canon MP750.

That I did. Never risk breaking the one that works :-)
>
> Set the base settings in System|Administration|Printing|Properties| and
> then try in OOo to see if they match. I don't know if it's worth trying,
> but some time ago the OOo printer admin utility used to be needed for
> some settings. You can give it a try to see if it makes any difference.
> For Ubuntu:
>
> $ /usr/lib/openoffice/program/spadmin

spadmin shows the same problem, not altogether surprisingly.

I'm currently using yet another driver - foomatic/pxlmono. It's minus
the esoteric options that seem largely irrelevant for normal use, but
does have the economy/standard toner save mode (although controlled in
an unexpected way). spadmin seems to track some but not all of the
properties as set by the ubuntu print manager stuff.

I'm off and away for the week - will give time to sleep on this one :-}

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Mike Scott





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