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From: Archimedes Plutonium on 28 Jun 2010 03:09 Archimedes Plutonium wrote: > > [0] Michael *Hardy* and Catherine Woodgold, > > "*Prime* *Simplicity*", *Mathematical > > Intelligencer<https://mail.google.com/wiki/ > Mathematical_Intelligencer> > There is a paragraph in that article that riles me. And shows how out of place are the authors of the article. There basic overall premiss is true that Euclid wrote a Constructive proof, what I called direct method. And an author trying to convince the world of mathematics that Euclid wrote a constructive proof, should not be running to Ore for his book example, but should be writing out a valid direct method and valid indirect method and then compare and eliminate the obviously wrong method. For this is an exercise in logic, afterall, so the writeup, unlike what Hardy/Woodgold/MI did is not a logical writeup, rather a scatterbrained writeup. The constructive proof in modern terminology which Euclid did not have was that of set theory increasing set cardinality by one more prime given any finite set of primes. So someone with set theory proof of Euclid IP, not Ore, should have been chosen, but then again, neither Hardy, Woodgold, or the MI editors are logicians. When Euclid did his proof, he was talking about "more than any assigned multitude" (if I remember the wording correctly). Anyway, Euclid's wording is what we recognize as modern day set theory of increasing set cardinality. But anyway, if the authors had been capable of writing their own two proofs of Euclid IP, one in construction and the other in contradiction. And if they were valid proofs, they would notice that the Euclid Number in contradiction method must be necessarily prime in order for the proof to be valid. Now, nowhere in Euclid's writing and no translator of ancient Greek has ever found where Euclid says the P+1 number is necessarily prime, but rather where Euclid does a prime factor search. A valid Infinitude of Primes proof requires a prime factor search in the Constructive method, never in the Contradiction method because P+1 is automatically prime due to the structure of the reductio ad absurdum with the definition of prime in step one and the assumptive step in step two. So, if Mathematical Intelligencer, had a superb write up of Euclid's IP and why it is constructive proof, would have had the first paragraph of a valid direct method proof and the second paragraph of a valid indirect method proof. And the third paragraph would simply say that Euclid wrote a direct method because he was increasing set cardinality, and impossible for Euclid to have written a valid proof as reductio ad absurdum since he never noticed that P+1 was necessarily prime in that method (provided, of course we insist that Euclid gave a valid proof). So what I have asked all interested people, whether mathematicians or general public, is to give both methods, and see for yourself whether you have the logical mind needed to deliver two valid proofs. But what riles me about that article, other than no attribution to all my work in sci.math on this topic, is this paragraph by the authors: --- quoting from Mathematical Intelligencer --- Any proof that is not by contradiction can be rewritten as a proof by contradiction in a way that superficially seems trivial, but that can have quite unexpected consequences: just prepend to the proof the assumption that the theorem is false, then. . . --- end quoting --- Now I know that Michael Hardy is a statistician, not a logician, and that Catherine Woodgold is an electrical engineer and not a logician. But what riles me is why the editors of Mathematical Intelligencer did not contact a logician such as Thomason of Yale whose book I learned Symbolic Logic whilst in College. My guess that a statistician and electrical engineer was given the opportunity to fill a number of pages in MI, is because of the sensitive nature of this article. Keep in mind that many mathematicians, even living ones, are named as committing an error of logic by thinking the Euclid IP was indirect method. So any author is going to upset alot of living mathematicians and tarnishing their reputation as not knowing better that Euclid's IP was direct and not indirect. So not too many takers for an offer to fill pages, lambasting many a mathematician who erred in Euclid's IP proof. In that circumstance, one can thus see why a statistician and electrical engineer were allowed to write the article. But let me address that riling paragraph about prepending and any proof turned into a proof by contradiction. Proof by contradiction is vastly more complicated than merely prepending. And I know of several proofs in mathematics that have only a direct method and never a indirect was found. And I know of several math proofs that have only a indirect method but never a direct method found. The trouble here and what riles me is that Hardy and Woodgold are way out of their realm of expertise. By gosh, they could not even do this article with their own direct and indirect Euclid IP. And for them to pontificate on "any direct proof can be prepended and turned into a indirect proof" is so misleading and so far out in left field, that the editors of Mathematical Intelligencer should be ashamed of themselves. The Indirect method is very complex and complicated procedure and is not a simple prepending. What the authors have in mind is that you can negate a proof. We establish as true A, then we negate it as not A, and then the proof ends up again as A. But that is not a proof by contradiction. See Thomason, Symbolic Logic, for a proof by contradiction is far more involved than any simple prepend. And it is obvious that in mathematics and physics, that you can never have both a constructive and contradiction method of proof for every statement. Proof: the majority of geometry statements have only a direct method proof. You cannot prepend in geometry. So I think that one paragraph is horribly misleading to many young readers, who will go away with the idea that every proof in mathematics has both a contradiction and constructive proof. This subject of whether a proof has both methods is an open area of research in mathematics, and is not for some ribald authors in a ribald article in a ribald magazine to pontificate over. Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |