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From: Archimedes Plutonium on 5 Jun 2010 01:13 I am afraid I do not have time for what I call socialized error-clad physics. Where a term of Doppler radar is placed into the social network. Much like if someone called a radar a Mossbauer Radar, thinking that the Mossbauer Effect had some role in radar. I do not have time to unravel socialized errors of physics. Some actually believe a radar can pick up a Doppler shift, but if that were true, why is that all radars require at least two echoes? If a Radar were truly a Doppler Radar, it would need just one echo (one reflection) to tell the speed of the object. As far as I know, all radars, whether dubbed doppler radars or not, require two echoes. What I am after is whether the Doppler Effect is contradictory to Special Relativity for lightwaves. I have no complaints about Doppler shift on sound waves. But sound does not have a Special Relativity Principle. Chapter 8 in this book is basically this: (8) Redshift of light from galaxies caused by refraction and scattering, not a Doppler effect And in that chapter I want to show that the Doppler Effect exists on sound waves but never on lightwaves or the EM spectrum. Now one experiment that already is pointed in the direction that lightwaves cannot be doppler shifted is the Michelson Morley experiment where the interferometer interpretation can be reinterpretated to mean that there was no shift in either wavelength or frequency. The Michelson Experiment of the late 1800s was a experiment to try to detect the motion of the lumiferous aether, the medium for lightwaves. The Experiment ended with a null result. If we refurbish the Michelson Experiment, I feel we can coax out of it, the result that lightwaves cannot be Doppler shifted. Evidence for that idea that lightwaves cannot be Doppler shifted comes from everyday experience on Earth and the Solar System. Sound waves are doppler shifted is a common every day experience, but lightwaves doppler shifted have never actually been experimentally confirmed, except for the Michelson Experiment with its null results. Now some claim that the radar technology is a Doppler technology. But this is only a fantasy, a wishful thinking, because in all the radar uses to detect speed, boils down, in the end to two echoes determining the speed. If a Doppler Effect truly existed for radar, then the Space Station astronauts would have trouble with radio signals from Earth, same as a train with its sound waves having trouble with Doppler. But listening to the radio in the Space Station is a null Doppler. To prove that the Doppler Effect cannot exist with lightwaves, I must ultimately show that the Doppler Effect is nonexistant in the Maxwell theory of a stationary wire loop and moving magnet is the same as a moving wire loop and stationary magnet. So I need to show that this symmetry of wire loop and magnet are broken if a Doppler effect occurrs on lightwaves. So that, let us say a magnet is moving with the speed of light towards a wire loop and then a magnet away at the speed of light. I must show that such is a contradiction if a Doppler Effect occurred in the Maxwell theory and thus Special Relativity. Perhaps a Proof: suppose both the magnet and wire loop were moving at the speed of light. Then in the case of moving towards one another it would be a huge Doppler blueshift. In the case of moving away from one another is a huge redshift. The energy in the Maxwell theory would be unequal in those two cases, and thus a broken symmetry. Thus a Doppler Effect cannot exist for lightwaves. That is a first stab, and it may hold up. Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |