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From: Peter Lind on 22 Apr 2010 11:35 On 22 April 2010 17:05, Ashley Sheridan <ash(a)ashleysheridan.co.uk> wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 17:06 +0200, Peter Lind wrote: > > On 22 April 2010 12:14, Ashley Sheridan <ash(a)ashleysheridan.co.uk> wrote: > > I believe Dan Brown mentioned a very good reason why this is not as > > simple an issue as just changing the reply-to. Not everyone who posts to > > the list subscribes to the list, so being copied into the emails is good > > for them. Suddenly changing the way things work could actually be > > detrimental to the list. Imagine how many people joined up *after* > > posting a question and receiving a good answer. > > That wouldn't change - they only get copied in when you choose > 'reply-all' and that would work the same whether or not a 'reply-to' > is used. > > Regards > Peter > > > It would change for the first reply. You say you just want to hit reply to reply to the list. Now if anyone hits reply, because the reply-to' header has been changed, the reply goes to the list and not the op. They're not subscribed and so they miss out. You seem to forget the amount of people stating "remove the other addresses" from the "reply-all" response. Also, if you don't want to subscribe to a mailing list, the onus is really on you to make sure you get the response if any comes. > The way things stand, hitting reply instead of reply to all sends the reply back to the op only. It happens on this list often and doesn't cause many issues as the op or replyer notices and sends/copies the list back in again. It's rather annoying and easily avoided. The question is whether this problem is bigger than people not subscribed to the list not getting a response, because people use "reply" instead of "reply all". > Changing the reply-to header would mean that if someone just hit reply, the unsubscribed op wouldn't get the reply at all, and any further replies to that thread would all be to the list only and the unsubscribed op would never know. Emailing a mailing list and expecting an automated response is ... I don't want to be negative or arrogant, but I think there's a general and rather problematic lack of experience there. It's a bit like walking past a group of people, yelling a question at them, then expecting one of them to run back to you with the answer after you've passed. Would you normally expect that kind of behaviour? Apart from that, if in the current scenario you just hit 'reply' and send the email off to the OP, the list doesn't get the benefit - and the OP is not going to change that fact, as they're not subscribed to the list and won't notice anyway. Which is worse, one person having to check the answer by looking at the mailing list archive or the rest of the list not benefiting at all from the answer? Regards Peter -- <hype> WWW: http://plphp.dk / http://plind.dk LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/plind Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fake51 BeWelcome: Fake51 Couchsurfing: Fake51 </hype>
From: Ashley Sheridan on 22 Apr 2010 12:18 On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 17:35 +0200, Peter Lind wrote: > Which is worse, one person having to > check the answer by looking at the mailing list archive or the rest of > the list not benefiting at all from the answer? Well, as that one person was the one who needed the help enough to ask the question in the first place... I just don't agree that the reply-to field should be changed. Most email clients are intelligent enough to recognise mailing lists when they see them, and those that aren't, well, I don't think the world should have to change to fit in with poor software. I know that often people don't have a choice with what is installed on a computer, but surely it's better trying to speak to whoever is in-charge of that to ask them to change their procedures than get however many shared systems (i.e. mailing lists) to change their methods? I guess I'm too far gone down the open source route now to 'get' the closed source problems that many people face in their offices. If I don't like a piece of software, I can choose different software, contact the developers, or even attempt to create a workaround myself. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
From: Michelle Konzack on 22 Apr 2010 15:26 Hello Karl DeSaulniers, Am 2010-04-21 15:55:41, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > WHY would we want to do that? Much unnecessary work when an admin > could set a reply-to and all would be solved. > With all due respect, if I was going to go through all that trouble > just so I could hit reply instead of reply-all or reply-list or > reply-group, And WHY do you want to restrict my freedom to choose to which I can respond? This is something like censorship! Oh, there ARE Mail-Cients for Windows which understand reply-all and reply-list and reply-group > They just have to set the headers to point there. Much easier than > what was suggested. This is associal! > It is curious though, why the admin of the PHP lists depend on > special case scenarios such as reply-list or reply-group. > To me, thats kind of like saying you can only click buttons on our > website if you use Internet Explorer. > Everyone else has to view the source and copy the urls to navigate. On some of my pages you will be kicked off if you come in with Infernal Exploder. Hahaha! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator -- ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ###################### Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems(a)tdnet France itsystems(a)tdnet UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Gesch. Michelle Konzack Gesch. Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix <http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/> <http://www.flexray4linux.org/> <http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/> <http://www.can4linux.org/> Jabber linux4michelle(a)jabber.ccc.de ICQ #328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/
From: =?UTF-8?Q?Hans_=C3=85hlin?= on 22 Apr 2010 15:59 Is this the new "threading support" thread?!?! Why don't nuke everything then its nothing to use or complain about... ********************************************** Hans à hlin Tel: +46761488019 http://www.kronan-net.com/ irc://irc.freenode.net:6667 - TheCoin ********************************************** 2010/4/22 Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle(a)tamay-dogan.net>: > Hello Karl DeSaulniers, > > Am 2010-04-21 15:55:41, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: >> WHY would we want to do that? Much unnecessary work when an admin >> could set a reply-to and all would be solved. >> With all due respect, if I was going to go through all that trouble >> just so I could hit reply instead of reply-all or reply-list or >> reply-group, > > And WHY do you want to restrict my freedom to  choose  to  which  I  can > respond?  This is something like censorship! > > Oh, there ARE Mail-Cients for Windows  which  understand  reply-all  and > reply-list and reply-group > >> They just have to set the headers to point there. Much easier than >> what was suggested. > > This is associal! > >> It is curious though, why the admin of the PHP lists depend on >> special case scenarios such as reply-list or reply-group. >> To me, thats kind of like saying you can only click buttons on our >> website if you use Internet Explorer. >> Everyone else has to view the source and copy the urls to navigate. > > On some of my pages you will be kicked off if you come in with  Infernal > Exploder.  Hahaha! > > Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening >   Michelle Konzack >   Systemadministrator > > -- > ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ###################### >  Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux > > itsystems(a)tdnet France      itsystems(a)tdnet UG (haftungsbeschränkt) > Gesch. Michelle Konzack      Gesch. Michelle Konzack > > Apt. 917 (homeoffice) > 50, rue de Soultz        KinzigstraÃe 17 > 67100 Strasbourg/France     77694 Kehl/Germany > Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil    Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil > Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix > > <http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/>  <http://www.flexray4linux.org/> > <http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/>     <http://www.can4linux.org/> > > Jabber linux4michelle(a)jabber.ccc.de > ICQ   #328449886 > > Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ >
From: Karl DeSaulniers on 22 Apr 2010 16:39 :) On Apr 22, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hello Karl DeSaulniers, > > Am 2010-04-21 15:55:41, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: >> WHY would we want to do that? Much unnecessary work when an admin >> could set a reply-to and all would be solved. >> With all due respect, if I was going to go through all that trouble >> just so I could hit reply instead of reply-all or reply-list or >> reply-group, > > And WHY do you want to restrict my freedom to choose to which > I can > respond? This is something like censorship! ? I think you read wrong. I wouldn't be hindering your ability to use other reply buttons. Nothing anyone really can do about the reply-all. if they are going to reply-all then they are the ones choosing that. When I hit reply though, just reply and not reply-all, list, or group, I think it should go back to the list. thats all. You can hit any reply button you like. ;) > > Oh, there ARE Mail-Cients for Windows which understand reply- > all and > reply-list and reply-group I am on a Mac, so I don't know what this comment has to do with me. I think your referring to the Windows users comment someone else said. The point I had was that there is no need to have a message from the list reply back to the poster, but the list. > >> They just have to set the headers to point there. Much easier than >> what was suggested. > > This is associal! No opensocial.. I wouldnt be against setting the reply-list and reply-group for other people. :) > >> It is curious though, why the admin of the PHP lists depend on >> special case scenarios such as reply-list or reply-group. >> To me, thats kind of like saying you can only click buttons on our >> website if you use Internet Explorer. >> Everyone else has to view the source and copy the urls to navigate. > > On some of my pages you will be kicked off if you come in with > Infernal > Exploder. Hahaha! lol > > Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening > Michelle Konzack > Systemadministrator > > But alas, I am done. There really is nothing I can do but accept how the process is set up. It is not the most efficient list, but one of the best in terms of people and knowledge, so like I said before, I will keep deleting emails. Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com
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