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From: Franc Zabkar on 24 Feb 2010 19:59
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:28:44 -0600, dilbert firestorm
<scanb31(a)i-55.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>I just recently bought a WD Caviar Blue 320gig Sata2 hard drive.
>
>I've looked at some options on hooking up this drive to a win 98se
>machine based on the IDE hard drive interface. It has an existing 20gig
> hard drive, Fireball ATA-133 I think (don't remember who makes it)
>and its running out of drive space.

Fireball was a Quantum family. Quantum was acquired by Maxtor, which
was then acquired by Seagate.

>1. Sata 1 or Sata 2 controller card
>
>2. Sata - IDE/ATA adapter
>
>3. SATA - IDE/ATA - USB adapter
>
>points to consider, its meant to be a temporary/stop gap measure until I
>can retire this old machine which is based on the Pentium 2-350 cpu.
>
>I am looking at addonics for the adapters, but am open on the controller
>cards as long as its cheap.
>
>any suggestions welcome.

If your USB ports are limited to USB 1.1, then your drive's transfer
rate will be about 1GB/s. A USB 2.0 port usually rates at 20MB/s.

You can use a generic USB mass storage driver:
http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php

As an internal drive, the standard Win98SE EIDE driver will limit you
to 28-bit LBA, ie a max capacity of 128GiB / 137GB. You can get
updated 3rd party drivers (freeware and payware) that will support up
to 500GB, maybe more.

This forum is an excellent source of Win98 information:
http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/8-windows-959898seme/?s=cdba2ba7d80796684d748403f478f8b2

- Franc Zabkar
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From: Rod Speed on 24 Feb 2010 22:42
mscotgrove(a)aol.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....(a)gmail.com> wrote
>> mscotgr...(a)aol.com wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....(a)gmail.com> wrote
>>>> mscotgr...(a)aol.com wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....(a)gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Frank Williams wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....(a)gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> mscotgr...(a)aol.com wrote
>>>>>>>>> dilbert firestorm <scan...(a)i-55.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>>> I just recently bought a WD Caviar Blue 320gig Sata2 hard
>>>>>>>>>> drive. I've looked at some options on hooking up this drive
>>>>>>>>>> to a win 98se machine based on the IDE hard drive interface.
>>>>>>>>>> It has an existing 20gig hard drive, Fireball ATA-133 I think
>>>>>>>>>> (don't remember who makes it)

>>>>>> Quantum, who got absobed by Maxtor who got absorbed by Seagate.

>>>>>>>>>> and its running out of drive space.
>>>>>>>>>> 1. Sata 1 or Sata 2 controller card
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Sata - IDE/ATA adapter
>>>>>>>>>> 3. SATA - IDE/ATA - USB adapter
>>>>>>>>>> points to consider, its meant to be a temporary/stop gap
>>>>>>>>>> measure until I can retire this old machine which is based on
>>>>>>>>>> the Pentium 2-350 cpu. I am looking at addonics for the
>>>>>>>>>> adapters, but am open on the controller cards as long as its
>>>>>>>>>> cheap.

>>>>>>>>>> any suggestions welcome.

>>>>>>>>> A USB caddy is probably the best - and will be useful on your next PC/ laptop

>>>>>>>> An adapter is cheaper and can be discarded when he moves to the next PC.

>>>>>>> But very very Slow.

>>>>>> Nope, same speed as a USB caddy or faster.

>>>>> USB is only slow if set as an external drive used for quick removal.

>>>> Nope, its slower than sata even if you dont have it set for quick removal.

>>>> Which is why the better external drives and docking stations etc do both USB and esata.

>>>>> Worst as FAT32

>>>>> Change the properties and performance is fine.

>>>> Nope, still worse than sata.

>>> I think we are looking as a drive for an old machine, as a temporary measure

>> Yes.

>>> You can argue which type of car is faster, 140mph or 153 mph,
>>> but basically one that does 70 mph is fine for everyday use

>> Different matter entirely with hard drives.

> Why so different?

Because most of the time you dont get to exceed the speed limit
with cars, but you can go as fast as you like with the hard drive.

>>> Yes, SATA is faster, but a USB plugin drive works OK.


From: JW on 25 Feb 2010 04:59
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:59:42 +1100 Franc Zabkar
<fzabkar(a)iinternode.on.net> wrote in Message id:
<6dibo59hs0tg7v15g4mp1k35ke3s09fbf8(a)4ax.com>:

>If your USB ports are limited to USB 1.1, then your drive's transfer
>rate will be about 1GB/s.
^

*cough*
From: dilbert firestorm on 26 Feb 2010 05:38
dilbert firestorm wrote:
> I just recently bought a WD Caviar Blue 320gig Sata2 hard drive.
>
> I've looked at some options on hooking up this drive to a win 98se
> machine based on the IDE hard drive interface. It has an existing 20gig
> hard drive, Fireball ATA-133 I think (don't remember who makes it)
> and its running out of drive space.
>
> 1. Sata 1 or Sata 2 controller card
>
> 2. Sata - IDE/ATA adapter
>
> 3. SATA - IDE/ATA - USB adapter
>
> points to consider, its meant to be a temporary/stop gap measure until I
> can retire this old machine which is based on the Pentium 2-350 cpu.
>
> I am looking at addonics for the adapters, but am open on the controller
> cards as long as its cheap.
>
> any suggestions welcome.


I believe I'll go with the controller card. prolly easier to set up
given the 48LBA issue.

know any thing about this card by via? its an ata-133/sata2 card.

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=213271884&listingid=63280122

the hard drive I have is ata-100, but its on a mobo with ata-33, basic ide.
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