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From: Jose on 28 Dec 2009 07:20
On Dec 27, 2:40 pm, "Cindy" <c...(a)suddenlink.net> wrote:
> I am using XP 5.1 with service pack 3 - outlook  express 6.
>  I am using  AVG 9.0 - Adware 8.1, spybot and spyware blaster.
>  I could use some advice please -  should I remove all of these programs, or
> some of these programs and install Microsoft's Security essentials (MSE).  I
> have researched on the computer and see good comments about MSE.
>   IF I do take off the programs I have and install MSE do I also need
> Microsoft Defender.
>   Thank you in advance for your help.
>      Cindy

MS is not in the malicious software detection/removal business. MSE
is their "answer" to including at least something resembling a AV
product with Windows to the "Why doesn't Microsoft have a AV product?"
question.

If you see good comments, they are from people that for some reason
really trust MS to provide them a good computing experience.

Just because the AV product comes from MS doesn't make it good. The
manufacturing of malicious software tools is not their job. You
should stick with malicious software products that come from companies
where that is all they do.

MSE only "cares" about 3498 files that are important to MS and does
not detect laughably simple things that other scanning softwares take
in stride (somebody where AV IS their business). It is so easy to
fool - and even the simplest things go undetected.

MSE prefers to add programs and processes to your system consuming
resources (CPU cycles and memory) that could certainly best be spent
on more enjoyable things.

However, MSE claims to be green, therefore it is automatically good -
it has the green word. I don't want something green protecting my
system. I want something mean and ruthless.

MSE is not even anywhere on my list of "tools" to use on a system
where their might be or could be malicious software.

The "right" tool depends on the protection you need and your Internet
habits. There is no "best" single tool. You need to find maybe 2 or 3
that are right for your environment and stick with them.

It is also possible to overprotect your system to the point it suffers
from too much protection software.


From: dadiOH on 28 Dec 2009 08:01
Jose wrote:

> However, MSE claims to be green, therefore it is automatically good -
> it has the green word. I don't want something green protecting my
> system. I want something mean and ruthless.

LOL. Yep... big, hairy and with long fangs dripping blood :)

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From: Unknown on 28 Dec 2009 16:08
Can you base your HUMBLE? opinion on facts or are you over emotional on
hearsay?
"thanatoid" <waiting(a)the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9CEE9DC92F13Ethanexit(a)188.40.43.245...
> "Cindy" <cinb(a)suddenlink.net> wrote in
> news:eL2ZoxyhKHA.5520(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
>
>> I am using XP 5.1 with service pack 3 - outlook express 6.
>> I am using AVG 9.0 - Adware 8.1, spybot and spyware
>> blaster. I could use some advice please - should I remove
>> all of these programs, or
>> some of these programs and install Microsoft's Security
>> essentials (MSE). I have researched on the computer and
>> see good comments about MSE.
>> IF I do take off the programs I have and install MSE do I
>> also need
>> Microsoft Defender.
>> Thank you in advance for your help.
>> Cindy
>
> Is this a joke? MS does more spying on your computer than anyone
> else, especially since XP. I would not trust ANY "security"
> programs from them a billionth of a millimeter and IMHO anyone
> who uses them is insane.
>
> I trust you also use a **NON-MS** firewall.
>
> If you use the MS one, disable it and get a real one, plenty to
> choose from. Then you'll have pretty much have covered all the
> bases, within reason.
>
> One could have twenty security programs, but really, /thinking/
> while on-line and checking the addresses you end up at
> (willingly or not) and never running any exe's (disguised or
> not) while online is what matters. I don't even have my AV on
> when I'm online, I only scan everything I DL'd afterwards, and I
> have never gotten any malware.


From: Unknown on 28 Dec 2009 16:16
There is absolutely no harm in downloading and installing it. You can leave
it run if you choose or
just run it when you want. Microsoft doing spying is merely a comment from
someone without expertise
or very emotional, and has no basis of fact whatsoever. I think you'll like
MSE.
"Cindy" <cinb(a)suddenlink.net> wrote in message
news:evKb5W1hKHA.1456(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>>
>>> I am using XP 5.1 with service pack 3 - outlook express 6.
>>> I am using AVG 9.0 - Adware 8.1, spybot and spyware
>>> blaster. I could use some advice please - should I remove
>>> all of these programs, or
>>> some of these programs and install Microsoft's Security
>>> essentials (MSE). I have researched on the computer and
>>> see good comments about MSE.
>>> IF I do take off the programs I have and install MSE do I
>>> also need
>>> Microsoft Defender.
>>> Thank you in advance for your help.
>>> Cindy
>>
>> Is this a joke? ----------- No....I am trying to find the 'best'
>> security system I can.... I am using the free version of the 4 programs
>> mentioned above. And yes I do know that some of the above programs you
>> pay for and some of them are free.
> Isn't this group called - Help and support? - Since I do not
> really have anyone to ask that is more knowlegable than me I thought I
> would ask on the newsgroup. Everyone here has always been very helpful,
> and certaintly knows more than I do.
>
> MS does more spying on your computer than anyone. -------------- Why
> would you say that?
>> else, especially since XP. I would not trust ANY "security"
>> programs from them a billionth of a millimeter and IMHO anyone
>> who uses them is insane.
>>
>> I trust you also use a **NON-MS** firewall. -------------- Yes, I am
>> using Microsoft's firewall.
>>
>> If you use the MS one, disable it and get a real one,????? -------------
>> What does that mean? Which one would you suggest I use if not MS?
>> Should I keep what I am using? I am not having any problems, just wanted
>> to be sure I was using good programs and do not want to have too many
>> that they conflict with each other.
>
> >
>> One could have twenty security programs, -----------NO.....I don't think
>> anyone would use 20 security programs.
>
> I would have appreciated some suggestions on what programs to use
> Thank you,
>
>
>
>


From: thanatoid on 28 Dec 2009 20:37
"Cindy" <cinb(a)suddenlink.net> wrote in
news:evKb5W1hKHA.1456(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

<SNIP>

> I would have appreciated some suggestions on what programs
> to use

You have all you need except you did not mention a firewall. I
said use any FW you want EXCEPT the one that comes with Windows.
You might have to try 2 or 3 to find the one YOU really like,
but that's the typical way these things happen.

Clearer now?
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