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From: Nico Kadel-Garcia on 7 Feb 2010 14:42 On Feb 7, 2:19 pm, unruh <un...(a)wormhole.physics.ubc.ca> wrote: > On 2010-02-07, Nico Kadel-Garcia <nka...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Feb 6, 5:26?pm, Bob <j...(a)rahul.net> wrote: > >> > Does your install include /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? ?If so, > >> > rename it to get it out of the way and then do startx. > >> > For some time, xorg has been good at probing hardware > >> > installing the right stuff ... but it defers to what > >> > you said in xorg.conf. ?And that was for the other box. > > >> Thanks, that worked! ?Dont know why its so hard for > >> system-config-display to try that if all else fails. > > Because the existence of /etc/X11/xorg.conf is a flag to the new xorg > that it should NOT try to identify stuff itself, but that, for one > reason or another, the users wants it to use a different setup from the > default. > > > > > Submit that as a bug report or feature request to Fedora! Seriously: > > configuring X has been an amazing adventure over the years, and tends > > to suffer from the "look at this exciting thing I can show off!" > > rather than providing simple options for "Aunt Tillie" to be able to > > set up her system. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, look up > > the "Luxury of Ignorance" by Eric Raymond.) > > It is already there. If xorg.conf does not exist, it tries to set it up > on its own, without user input. That they give you the option of > overriding that automatic process is a GOOD thing. Aunt Tillie can > blithely ignore xorg.conf, until something goes wrong of course ( with > thousands of different video cards, keyboards, mice, pads,... out there, > something is bound to go wrong sometimes). This is an old issue with GUI's and configuration files. Anytime you have to configure something from the the command line that cannot be configured from the GUI, there's something wrong with the system. Aunt Tillie should be offered the *option* to completely ignore the existing, possibly mishappen xorg.conf. There should be an option to *force* xorg.conf to be ignored entirely, at least in the command line argments for system-config-display. If you haven't read the article at http://catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html, I do recommend it. And not just because I got quoted in the postscripts.
From: John Hasler on 7 Feb 2010 15:55 Nico Kadel-Garcia writes: > Aunt Tillie should be offered the *option* to completely ignore the > existing, possibly mishappen xorg.conf. What existing xorg.conf? There won't be one unless the admin creates it. -- John Hasler jhasler(a)newsguy.com Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA
From: Bryce on 7 Feb 2010 16:27 John Hasler wrote: > Nico Kadel-Garcia writes: >> Aunt Tillie should be offered the *option* to completely >> ignore the existing, possibly mishappen xorg.conf. > > What existing xorg.conf? There won't be one unless the > admin creates it. I'm not as helpless as you young whippersnappers think. I KNOW about Xorg -configure -- Aunt Tillie
From: unruh on 7 Feb 2010 16:30
On 2010-02-07, Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 7, 2:19?pm, unruh <un...(a)wormhole.physics.ubc.ca> wrote: >> On 2010-02-07, Nico Kadel-Garcia <nka...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > On Feb 6, 5:26?pm, Bob <j...(a)rahul.net> wrote: >> >> > Does your install include /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? ?If so, >> >> > rename it to get it out of the way and then do startx. >> >> > For some time, xorg has been good at probing hardware >> >> > installing the right stuff ... but it defers to what >> >> > you said in xorg.conf. ?And that was for the other box. >> >> >> Thanks, that worked! ?Dont know why its so hard for >> >> system-config-display to try that if all else fails. >> >> Because the existence of /etc/X11/xorg.conf is a flag to the new xorg >> that it should NOT try to identify stuff itself, but that, for one >> reason or another, the users wants it to use a different setup from the >> default. >> >> >> >> > Submit that as a bug report or feature request to Fedora! Seriously: >> > configuring X has been an amazing adventure over the years, and tends >> > to suffer from the "look at this exciting thing I can show off!" >> > rather than providing simple options for "Aunt Tillie" to be able to >> > set up her system. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, look up >> > the "Luxury of Ignorance" by Eric Raymond.) >> >> It is already there. If xorg.conf does not exist, it tries to set it up >> on its own, without user input. That they give you the option of >> overriding that automatic process is a GOOD thing. Aunt Tillie can >> blithely ignore xorg.conf, until something goes wrong of course ( with >> thousands of different video cards, keyboards, mice, pads,... out there, >> something is bound to go wrong sometimes). > > This is an old issue with GUI's and configuration files. Anytime you > have to configure something from the the command line that cannot be > configured from the GUI, there's something wrong with the system. Aunt > Tillie should be offered the *option* to completely ignore the > existing, possibly mishappen xorg.conf. There should be an option to > *force* xorg.conf to be ignored entirely, at least in the command line > argments for system-config-display. She is rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf :-) Why is a mishappen xorg.conf doing there? If she has enough knowledge to produce a mishappen xorg.conf, she has enough to remove it. Ie, it is all there. You are just annoyed that you did something stupid but did not have the knowledge to fix it. That will ALWAYS be true for everyone. It is annoying, but sticking in an extra option into the config file is liable to cause trouble as often as it is helpful. If you wanted, there could be sentence saying "/etc/xorg.conf exists and will be used for starting X" > If you haven't read the article at http://catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html, > I do recommend it. And not just because I got quoted in the > postscripts. |